Thread: Lars Larson pounds on Gordon Smith over hiring of IAs

Lars Larson pounds on Gordon Smith over hiring of illegal immigrants
Kari Chisholm

Conservative radio talker Lars Larson isn't very happy with Senator Gordon Smith. While he sympathizes with Smith's complaints about Willamette Week being a "liberal tabloid", he wants Smith to directly answer the allegations contained in the story.

Have a listen. It's a gem: AUDIO: http://www.blueoregon.com/2008/09/lars-larson-pou.html

Key items:

Smith says his company won't use E-Verify because it's not a "biometric" scan -- meaning photo, fingerprint, and "iris scan". Smith then goes further and argues that the federal government ought to have a database that includes photos, fingerprints, and iris scans for every American. (Seriously. Page the ACLU.)

Smith may have accidentally admitted that he really does run the company. Despite numerous protestations that he's "not allowed to run this company", he says "the instructions I have given to [the professional managers]" are to comply with the law. Oops -- he's not allowed, under federal law, to manage the company.

Larson challenged Smith to immediately resolve the questions about his hiring practices - by simply running all the SSN's of his employees through the E-Verify program, right now. (Smith dodged the question; changing the subject.)

Larson noted that if the local police department is able to quickly verify the immigration status of Smith's employees (when they're arrested), then it should be equally easy for Smith Frozen Foods to quickly verify their immigration status. Lars is right. This just isn't that complicated.
http://www.blueoregon.com/2008/09/lars-larson-pou.html

Why don't they all have i-9s? It is a give away program of Americans jobs by no less than our own government.

Related post:
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-131673.html

Throw him out of office.

vmonkey wrote:

Why don't they all have i-9s? It is a give away program of Americans jobs by no less than our own government.

I'm going to assume most of them do, however, I'm also going to assume that many of them are forged. Many businesses accept the I-9 without question or research of validity. Forged documentation is one of the reasons E-verify is critical.

Businesses that hire illegal aliens will almost always say they checked the required documents and everything appeared in order. They'll also go on to say that they aren't immigration officers and can't tell the difference between valid or faked document. It's my understanding that they can't be held liable if they have the appropriate documents on file, regardless of whether the documentation is fake or not. With the system set up the way it currently is, it's very difficult for ICE to prosecute an employer who has the documents on file.

Over here in our part of the state, it has long been suspected that he hires illegals.

Smith started out as a good senator, but he is too steeped in DC and he also, IMO, has become corrupted by the almighty dollar and that is why he has had to be forced, by his conservative constituents here in Oregon, to vote against any bills to provide a path to citizenship.

Then again, he may have voted in his own interest, as if his employees are made into citizens, he would no longer have his cheap labor.

I-9 are verified but how?

Is it law that they are verified through Homeland Security?

The Unemployment Office says they are required only to E-Verify only I-9s of Agricultural Workers. But they check I-9 for Businesses when requested.

Is IMAGE program used to check these I-9?

My local City Manager say they have few I-9ers but they did check them out and that is all they are required to do by law.

(Checking them out - does that mean they just visually scan the I-9s - which is checking them out?)

So we have before us id thief, SS# thief, I-9 thief and illegals. Exactly, how can this all be fixed? And let's not forget the border fence might get finished in the far future.

The I-9 is a Department of Justice Form:Immigration and Naturalization Service.
As a past employer, I understood all potential employees had to complete and sign the form and appropriate documentation had to be provided and verified by the employer. It was part of determining eligibility for employmnent.
It is not scanned or anything. I have no idea if rules have changed in regards to the form.
But, with the increase of extremely authentic looking documents available, I can see where it could now easily be problematic to discern whether documents provided by someone applying for work had "true" or "fake" documents.

mbrown:

The I-9 is a Department of Justice Form:Immigration and Naturalization Service.

Are the I-9 mailed to the Department of Justice by employers? Does the immigrant actually have an I-9 card or something or is it a form that the employer must get filled out by the immigrant?

So an immigrant would need what to fill this form out?

So how many I-9 workers does the government allow? Do they expire?

Originally Posted by vmonkey56

mbrown:

The I-9 is a Department of Justice Form:Immigration and Naturalization Service.

Are the I-9 mailed to the Department of Justice by employers? Does the immigrant actually have an I-9 card or something or is it a form that the employer must get filled out by the immigrant?

So an immigrant would need what to fill this form out?

No to all of the above, I-9 is the number of a form employees fill out when first hired, they have to include proof of legal status like a social security card or green card, they have to show the social security or green card to the employer. Here at our company we make a copy of the card. Then the form and card copy goes into the company files in case ICE ever wants to look at it, it doesn't get sent in and probably 99.9% of the time it sits in the file and nobody ever looks at it again.

Originally Posted by mbrown

But, with the increase of extremely authentic looking documents available, I can see where it could now easily be problematic to discern whether documents provided by someone applying for work had "true" or "fake" documents.

Yes the I-9 form is a farce, all an employer has to say is "we are not document experts" and they are off the hook. Plus if they question a potential employee they get sued for racial discrimination, so that's another reason to accept any forged document they give you. The I-9 was put in place after the 1986 amnesty to fool Americans into thinking businesses are only hiring legal workers when actually the I-9 is a useless piece of paper.