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    Navarette:"Here's what I don't like."

    Language wars
    Ruben Navarrette Jr., San Diego Union-Tribune

    Wednesday, July 9, 2008


    The language wars flare up whenever insecure Americans worry that English is becoming passé.

    It's a cultural paranoia that is laughably off the mark. According to research, children of immigrants stand a better chance of losing their native language and speaking only English than never learning English at all. Still, it's a fear that is resistant to facts. I ought to know. I've seen it up close.

    Twenty-three years ago, on the night I graduated from high school, one of my co-valedictorians wrote into his speech a single sentence welcoming his grandparents, who had traveled to the United States to attend the ceremony. The sentence was in his grandparents' native language.

    The night before, at the eighth-grade graduation across town, a young girl, another valedictorian, did something similar. She included a single sentence thanking her parents - in their native language - for their support.

    The line in the high school speech was in German; the one in the speech for the junior high school was in Spanish. Guess which speech caused a fuss?

    A few days before graduation, the junior high principal tried to pressure the student to remove the line in Spanish because he was afraid that those in the audience who didn't understand Spanish might feel uncomfortable. It was probably more likely the principal was afraid that he'd get angry phone calls that might make him uncomfortable.

    The girl stood her ground. And the principal backed down.

    Conversely, no one said a word about the line in German, even though - in a town that was then about 70 percent Latino - it's a safe bet that there were more people in the audience who didn't understand German than Spanish.

    Now I read about Cindy and Hue Vo, cousins and co-valedictorians at Ellender High School in Louisiana, who recently delivered part of their commencement addresses in Vietnamese. They are daughters of Vietnamese immigrants.

    Cindy told the Associated Press that she wanted to thank her parents for their support, so she dedicated a sentence to them in Vietnamese. It meant you should always be true to yourself, she explained to classmates. Hue said that she wanted to express gratitude to her parents for immigrating to the United States. Her parents want her to preserve her Vietnamese culture, and so she thought it would be more heartfelt to say what she said in their native tongue.

    It turned out to be controversial. Because of the Vo girls, school officials are now thinking about adopting a policy that would require all future commencement speeches to be in English.

    It's because some people are making noise. One of the noisemakers is Rickie Pitre, a school board member, who told AP that he was merely concerned about "inconsistencies" in the various graduation ceremonies in that parish in Louisiana. Then he put his cards on the table.

    "I don't like them addressing in foreign language," he said. "They should be in English."

    Here's what I don't like. I don't like it when busybody officials think that because they don't like something, they have to outlaw it. I don't like that language has become a proxy for the immigration debate and the anxiety that some people feel over a changing cultural landscape.

    I don't like it that some American teenagers barely speak proper English, much less a foreign language, and that they will eventually be outmatched in the global job market if they come up against someone from Europe, Asia or Latin America who speaks two or three languages. I don't like that some of these same American kids resent the very notion of competition, and that English-only policies enable them by making everyone the same so that no one has a leg up because he knows more than one language.

    I don't like the idea that some people would try to tell two Vietnamese American girls, who through hard work and discipline earned the privilege of addressing classmates as co-valedictorians, the circumstances under which they can make the address. And I don't like it that more people don't see the way to avoid these kinds of controversies in the future is for those monolingual American kids to study harder and get better grades so that they can be valedictorians and give their speeches in the language they know: English only.



    To comment, e-mail Ruben Navarrette Jr. at ruben.navarrette@uniontrib.com.

    This article appeared on page B - 9 of the San Francisco Chronicle

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 11LMN5.DTL

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    All the more reason as to why English needs to be made the official language of this country. Another unintended benefit would be we will no longer have to listen to morons like Ruben Navarrette Jr. whine and complain...
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    Here's what I don't like Ruben.

    I don't like when people willfully come into this country illegally and demand services.

    I don't like pressing 1 for English.

    I don't like when people game our system.

    I don't like when grown men think it's ok to rape an 8 year old girl, just because it's accepted in their CULTURE.

    I don't like the disrespect these people show this country.

    I don't like ignorant, racist people whining that they only come to work, while in their language call us stupid Americans.

    Guess what Ruben? This stupid American speaks and understands Spanish very well (even the guttural Spanish spoken by the illiterates) and can hear every word said. Who's stupid now, Ruben?

    I don't like when this government let's PC take overto appease ignorant, racist people from other countries who are criminally trespassing in this country.

    I don't like MY politicians campaigning in foreign countries. WHO the hell is voting here?

    I don't like when people are so incredibly stupid and racist that they vote solely on the color/ethnicity of the candidate.

    I don't like that my kids are being dumbed down in schools filled with illiterate and ignorant non-english speaking children who are BORN here. What's up with that?

    My parents and I emigrated legally, Ruben, did yours?
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    Well said miquelina!!! I second that!
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    Hey Ruben!

    Buy a clue.

    The reason people are getting so upset about Spanish being forced on them all the time, unlike German, is because we have millions of illegal aliens running around in our nation that are mostly from Latin America and they refuse to assimilate.

    The German language inserted into the student's speech was done in a context that had no connection to broader national issue trends.

    The Spanish being inserted into the student's speech happened in the context of an invasion of America on an unprecedented level complete with cheerleaders like you that hurl insults calling Americans racists each week.

    This is America speak American and you can take your Globalist double speak and shove it.

    Let the 80+% of wise American citizens tell you how it is going to be instead of you and your traitorous faction telling us how your social engineering project is going to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miguelina
    Here's what I don't like Ruben.

    I don't like when people willfully come into this country illegally and demand services.

    I don't like pressing 1 for English.

    I don't like when people game our system.

    I don't like when grown men think it's ok to rape an 8 year old girl, just because it's accepted in their CULTURE.

    I don't like the disrespect these people show this country.

    I don't like ignorant, racist people whining that they only come to work, while in their language call us stupid Americans.

    Guess what Ruben? This stupid American speaks and understands Spanish very well (even the guttural Spanish spoken by the illiterates) and can hear every word said. Who's stupid now, Ruben?

    I don't like when this government let's PC take overto appease ignorant, racist people from other countries who are criminally trespassing in this country.

    I don't like MY politicians campaigning in foreign countries. WHO the hell is voting here?

    I don't like when people are so incredibly stupid and racist that they vote solely on the color/ethnicity of the candidate.

    I don't like that my kids are being dumbed down in schools filled with illiterate and ignorant non-english speaking children who are BORN here. What's up with that?

    My parents and I emigrated legally, Ruben, did yours?
    Well done Miguelina.

    PS. (Remind me never to get on your 'bad side').
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    Miguelina! BRAVO!!!!!

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    Excellent miguelina--well stated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by miguelina
    Here's what I don't like Ruben.

    I don't like when people willfully come into this country illegally and demand services.

    I don't like pressing 1 for English.

    I don't like when people game our system.

    I don't like when grown men think it's ok to rape an 8 year old girl, just because it's accepted in their CULTURE.

    I don't like the disrespect these people show this country.

    I don't like ignorant, racist people whining that they only come to work, while in their language call us stupid Americans.

    Guess what Ruben? This stupid American speaks and understands Spanish very well (even the guttural Spanish spoken by the illiterates) and can hear every word said. Who's stupid now, Ruben?

    I don't like when this government let's PC take overto appease ignorant, racist people from other countries who are criminally trespassing in this country.

    I don't like MY politicians campaigning in foreign countries. WHO the hell is voting here?

    I don't like when people are so incredibly stupid and racist that they vote solely on the color/ethnicity of the candidate.

    I don't like that my kids are being dumbed down in schools filled with illiterate and ignorant non-english speaking children who are BORN here. What's up with that?

    My parents and I emigrated legally, Ruben, did yours?
    Home run!!! Is there any way we can make sure that Ruben gets miguelina's rebuttal to his ethno-centric rant...
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    LOL. thanks everyone! Illegal immigration pisses me off to nooo end!

    I still have relatives back in the home country who would NEVER disrespect a host country like this! My own brother died still waiting for his immigration papers to be approved and STILL didn't try to get in illegally!
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