Thread: Battle of the Border defines a person and a mindset

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Battle of the Border' defines a person and a mindset
THE STILL-evolving Battle of the Border is one of those bright-line issues that defines a person and a mindset. Finding a resolution is slippery as olive oil because one person's "rights" are another person's "wrongs."

This isn't the first time diametrically opposing viewpoints have dominated a debate. We've seen it before:

• The back-and-forth of the soft drug wars - permissive on one side vs. prohibitive on the other.

• Dogfights between "right to life" and "pro-choice."

• The faceoff between baggypants 'boarders and brown-baggers over who has the "right" to rule Love Park.

• Firefights between smokers and nonsmokers.

What makes these conflicts so stubborn is that each side is fighting for its "rights" - to toke, to abort, to skateboard, to smoke.





In the immigration argument, one side talks about "illegal aliens." The other side talks about "undocumented workers," or (even better) about "displaced human beings," as if their humanity were somehow the issue.

It is not.

Nor is the issue "immigration." That's a red herring thrown in to poison the debate. This issue is ILLEGAL immigration. It is not about whether illegals are hard-working, decent, God-fearing, or musically inclined. It is not even about whether they take jobs Americans will or will not do.

It is about playing by the rules.

It is that simple.

This is like a bad acid flashback to the culture wars of the '60s, with the hippie longhairs squaring off against the three-button-suit buzz-cuts. Today, the soft-hearted on the left claim the moral high ground by tossing around "compassion" like a Wiffle ball, while the hardheaded on the right sternly remind us we are a nation of law.

Free Love versus Law and Order, Chaos versus Progress, Love Beads versus Hard Hats.

One side evilly suggests that the immigrant tide cloaks criminals and terrorists. The other disingenuously says we betray our immigrant ethos if we reject "your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."

Should a nation made great by immigrants turn its back on immigrants, even illegal ones? Does "breathe free" translate to "work off the books for less than minimum wage"?





When illegal immigrants carry signs (as they did in Love Park and elsewhere last week) saying, "Immigration for all," does that mean America must accept anybody and everybody who shows up?

Name me one nation that does.

Legislation will try to resolve the illegal-immigrant mess. And no one knows whether the Hard Hats or Love Beads will prevail. I find myself, surprisingly, with the Hard Hats on this one.

Americans are steamed because illegal immigration offends, at least, their sense of fair play. This is about right and wrong. It is that simple.

Should the illegals be turned into felons? No. Should they be allowed to stay? No.

If you believe in fair play and doing things the right way, you have no honest option but to reject those who came here illegally - breaking U.S. law and jumping ahead of those who filled out forms and patiently waited their turn.

If you don't give a crap about right and wrong, leave the illegals alone - and brace yourself for millions more.

It is that simple.


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Yes it really is simple.

Diana717 -

First - I'm glad you are on the Hard-Hat side - if that's how you think of us.

Second -You Stated:

One side evilly suggests that the immigrant tide cloaks criminals and terrorists.

Why use the term "Evilly suggests" ??

It is NOT EVIL to SPEAK the TRUTH.

Third -- They are not an "immigrant tide" They are "Illegal Aliens".
Being here "illegally" makes them criminals - in and of itself.

Fourth -- There very well could be terrorists within their ranks.

Fifth -- They have made it plain - that they are not here to "Become Americans".

They are here for the "Re-Conquista"

Want to know what these folks have planned for our nation ?

This video http://tinyurl.com/pqzpe
proves beyond any doubt, the people marching in our streets under
Mexican and other foreign flags, over pending immigration legislation,
are engaged in a WAR against our nation.

They openly state they are at war with us and that they have
"The armor, the infantry and the artillery" to wage war here.

Goto these sites and see the plans they have made...

http://www.aztlan.net/
http://www.aztlan.net/greetings_from_aztlan.htm
http://www.aztlan.net/nofa.htm

La Raza and ATZlan Have Ties to terrorism
http://www.aztlan.net/arafat.jpg

La Raza - Their Plight the same as Palestinians ??
http://www.aztlan.net/nofa.htm


A Sample...
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NATION OF AZTLAN
Ministry of Information

Estimada Raza de Aztlan and Beyond:

Greetings from the Revolutionary Council and Provisional Government of
Aztlan! La Voz de Aztlan has provided this column for the dissemination of
important information concerning our struggle for self-determination. We
invite you to visit this web page from time to time to read communiques
issued by the Council as a whole or by the individual Ministers of the
Provisional Government. The communiques, among other things, will outline La
Raza's positions on issues affecting the political and economic liberation
of Aztlan. The positions published here do not necessarily reflect those of
the publisher, editors or staff writers of La Voz de Aztlan.

Hasta La Victoria Siempre,

Cuauhtli
Minister of Information
Nation of Aztlan
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Ministry of Foreign Affairs
October 18, 2000

On the Palestinian-Jewish Issue

La Raza's struggle for the land and for political and economic
self-determination is not different from the struggle of the Palestinian
people in Zionist Israel. We live in Aztlan under Anglo domination as the
Palestinians live under Jewish domination. La Raza as well as the
Palestinians lost the land through military aggression and both people now
live in segregated regions within the larger nation. The Palestinian people
as well as La Raza provide the hard labor necessary to prop up the national
economies.
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I also found the following...
Unfortunately - the punishment phase is not written in english
Wonder if the Gay/Lesbian League are aware of this --
Right now they are marching alongside them....
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http://www.aztlan.net/leyazteca.htm
Lesbians Insult "La Virgen de Guadalupe"
LEY AZTECA: How Our Ancient Indigenous Ancestors of Mexico Viewed and
Punished Lesbianism and Homosexuality
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Thanks !!

Diana717 -

First - I'm glad you are on the Hard-Hat side - if that's how you think of us.

Second -You Stated:

I personally didn't state anything. I posted this article from a newpaper.

Ahhh - my mistake - sorry

Ahhh - my mistake - sorry

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