Thread: Despite families' pleas, O'Reilly slams VB

Here is a columnist from the paper in Norfolk who is scorching Va Beach over this issue:

http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.c ... &ran=40850

I believe if Va Beach's mayor was on the record as protecting illegal immigrants, this columnist would have mentioned it. I believe if Va Beach had a policy of allowing illegal immigrants three DUIs before deporting them, this columnist would have mentioned it. I believe if the mayor's "own words" had said that she doesn't care if kids die as long as the hotels make money, this columnist would have mentioned it.

Originally Posted by adam-k

OK, that's a good policy. If you're here illegally, you should be deported.

Actually, if you are a conscientious Christian, then you should self deport.

Oh adam-k, we have quite a few articles and a focus campaign about Virginia Beach. We know what is going down there. Columnist don't always mention everything. Especially if it breaking news or the first report.

Dixie

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Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

Originally Posted by "adam-k":37amdriy

Originally Posted by Cliffdid

Adam K have you ever heard of K.I.S.S. to keep is simple if your here "illegally" then you don't belong here. I don't see it taking a generation to figure that out unless its a generation of imbeciles.

OK, that's a good policy. If you're here illegally, you should be deported. In fact, I believe that's the current law of the land, isn't it? So by your KISS logic, the problem is already solved -- the policy you think will fix it is already in place.

Can you solve world hunger next?

And we have a WINNER!

Yes, you are perfectly correct.
Anyone who is residing in the USofA that is not here legally does need to be removed.

Whatever you prefer to call it is fine with me. However, REMOVED and repatriated is accurate.

And Yes, you are correct, we DO have laws that are not being enforced.
Would surely solve the problem, don't you think?

Again, I say ... when are you going to fix world hunger? You've just solved the problem of the 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. with one sentence: "Enforce the laws that are in place." Gee, you're right, that is simple.[/quote:37amdriy]

"World hunger" is the world's problem, not that of the citizens of the US. We do what we can to ameliorate the issue both at home and abroad. There is, in fact, no reason that any law-abiding citizen in the US would ever have to deal with hunger as an ongoing problem. Other nations generally have their own causes for hunger, most frequently related to bad governance. My guess is that you would be opposed to the US taking the only meaningful action that would solve the hunger problem in such countries, which would be to depose the corrupt governments and replace them with governments more to our liking. I, for one, would be opposed to such action, but probably for different reasons than you would be, judging by the tenor of your previous posts.

See, Adam, there is a difference between people like you and people like myself (for example). Some of us set aside all the nonsensical agonizing and simply work to fix problems. If people are breaking the law and the law in question has been duly legislated and upheld, we prosecute the lawbreakers. If there are so many people breaking a given law that enforcement becomes difficult, we increase the penalties to the point that even if the chance of getting caught is slight, the penalties have a sufficient deterrent effect that most people will not take the risk. We don't get all touchie-feelie and try to get inside the heads of the offenders. We understand the need for law and order and the consequences of anarchy and chaos. Siding with the law and those who abide by it, we are not swayed by the myriad of lame justifications and excuses proffered by the lawbreakers and their defenders. Neither do we wilt under the enormity of a task. That is for weak-willed namby pambies who have been so coddled by the increasingly socialist system that they are functionally crippled with respect to self-reliance, courage, integrity and the other attributes necessary for the maintenance of a free and moral society.

So perhaps it is time that you ran along to some other site where people may be more susceptible to your false rationalizations and faulty linkage between unrelated issues, such as this nation's problem with foreign lawbreakers and other nations' problems with hunger caused by corrupt governments. Maybe you should join the Peace Corps.

Secondamendsis -
I'm getting ready to head out tonight, but I'll check them. If they say what you suggest, I'll be amazed, because it would be awfully hard for local media to cover up such a scandal if the Mayor was actually on record saying such things. I'll give it a look.

Originally Posted by adam-k

Here is a columnist from the paper in Norfolk who is scorching Va Beach over this issue:

http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.c ... &ran=40850

I believe if Va Beach's mayor was on the record as protecting illegal immigrants, this columnist would have mentioned it. I believe if Va Beach had a policy of allowing illegal immigrants three DUIs before deporting them, this columnist would have mentioned it. I believe if the mayor's "own words" had said that she doesn't care if kids die as long as the hotels make money, this columnist would have mentioned it.

By what tortured logical process did you arrive at that tenuous conclusion? Since when has the sensationalist media been even remotely as thorough as you suggest? If you are that trusting of strangers, I'd like to introduce you to a guy who has a can't-miss investment opportunity in Nigeria, and all it requires is that you provide him with your checking account routing number and your SSN.

Simply because some of us here are not politically correct shouldn't lead others to get their bloomers all knotted up.

Originally Posted by adam-k

Secondamendsis -
I'm getting ready to head out tonight, but I'll check them. If they say what you suggest, I'll be amazed, because it would be awfully hard for local media to cover up such a scandal if the Mayor was actually on record saying such things. I'll give it a look.

I never speak anything but the TRUTH.

And what makes you think that this cannot be ignored by press?
Sorry, but I really don't believe you mean that.

Search for yourself, Adam. It's ALL there.
ALL the excuses and bull speak while ignoring that an ILLEGAL ALIEN who was a MULTIPLE offender and LET GO each time, murdered Americans.

All due to HER policies buffered by the police chief! Refusing to enforce the RULE OF LAW.

Hope you're not related to her!

Originally Posted by adam-k

Response to HAD-ENOUGH:

1.) When O'Reilly suggests that the mayor is the reason there are illegal immigrants in Virginia Beach, he's oversimplifying. When he suggests that the mayor should be kicked out of office because an illegal immigrant killed someone while driving drunk, he's oversimplifying.

Please explain how stating that this do-nothing mayor should be kicked out of office for allowing drunk-driving illegal aliens to have free reign of VB is oversimplifying.

Originally Posted by adam-k

2.) The guy had one previous DUI, not four. And his illegal status was not discovered at that time. It's not that he was found out but allowed to stay; he wasn't found out.

One? Seems I was wrong here but he did have 3 convictions; this one made the 4th. By RICHARD QUINN, The Virginian-Pilot "Ramos, who police said was drinking the day of the wreck, had three previous alcohol-related convictions in Chesapeake and Virginia Beach." Were the other two convictions for something other than DUI?

Originally Posted by adam-k

3.) I have never seen/heard/read anything that suggests the mayor has instructed her police officers not to ask about illegal immigrant status.

By RICHARD QUINN, The Virginian-Pilot: "police Chief Jake Jacocks Jr., who helped craft a city policy that forbids patrol officers from asking the immigration status of defendants charged with misdemeanors."

Originally Posted by adam-k

I have never seen/heard/read anything that suggests the police officers and courts knowingly allow illegal immigrants convicted of crimes back onto the streets.

Kinda hard to knowlingly let illegal aliens back on the streets when they're not allowed to ask anything about status in the first place isn't it?

Originally Posted by adam-k

I've been following this story closely right here in my own area, there's been dozens of articles written, and neither one of those two things has been reported.

Did you know either of these young women, Adam? Be very, very careful next time you're on the road Adam. We wouldn't want you to be the next VB victim.

One other thing, do you have a pony in this race

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by adam-k

Here is a columnist from the paper in Norfolk who is scorching Va Beach over this issue:

http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.c ... &ran=40850

I believe if Va Beach's mayor was on the record as protecting illegal immigrants, this columnist would have mentioned it. I believe if Va Beach had a policy of allowing illegal immigrants three DUIs before deporting them, this columnist would have mentioned it. I believe if the mayor's "own words" had said that she doesn't care if kids die as long as the hotels make money, this columnist would have mentioned it.

By what tortured logical process did you arrive at that tenuous conclusion? Since when has the sensationalist media been even remotely as thorough as you suggest? .

Yes, that makes sense ... the "sensationalist" columnist looking to rip into the mayor would intentionally overlook or refuse to use the most damning evidence. Why didn't I think of that?

2ndamendsis -
I looked for awhile and found some "VB" specific topics, but none had anything close to what you're describing. I'll look again tomorrow a little more.
I see the mayor sending out a form response explaining that under the city's form of government, the police department is directed by the City Manager, not the Mayor. I see the mayor pointing out to O'Reilly's producer that drunk in public is a misdemeanor, not a felony, which apparently came as news to the producer. I see the mayor speaking of her sympathy for the families.
What I don't see ... but which you say is there "in her own words" ... is the mayor saying she doesn't care if kids die as long as the hotels make money. And I don't see ... "in her own words" ... anything saying that she wants to keep illegal immigrants in her town.
Maybe tomorrow I'll find those quotes. I'll look again.

Thank you, 2ndamendsis, for being civil, by the way. Some of the other posters here seem to assume that anyone who agrees with them is telling the truth but they dismiss newspaper reports as the liberal media distorting the truth.