Thread: A 'Donald Trump-style move' is becoming a trend across the country

3 hrs ago
Maxwell Tani

Donald Trump's campaign for president drew early mockery for being nothing more than "entertainment."

Almost five months later, there's little doubt that Trump has become one of the figures most responsible for shaping policy on his signature issue: immigration.

Republicans from the state to federal level have worked to enact tighter immigration laws, as the issue has gained prominence on the campaign trail.

"For the the longest time we saw a lot of anti-immigrant measures happen at the federal level, or complete inaction at the federal level, and then we saw the states going in the opposite direction, and seeking policies that recognized the value of immigrants to the economy, to the community," Melissa Keaney, an attorney at the pro-immigration reform National Immigration Law Center told Business Insider.

"Now things have turned on their head. ... It's a disturbing trend."

Since launching his presidential run earlier this year, Trump has been one of the most prominent Republicans calling for the end of so-called "sanctuary cities."

That name has been colloquially bestowed upon localities that do not comply with Immigrations and Customs Enforcement orders to detain immigrants living in the US illegally beyond their release date, if they're picked up for a low-level crime.

"This senseless and totally preventable act of violence committed by an illegal immigrant is yet another example of why we must secure our border immediately," Trump said earlier this year, referencing the death of a woman, 32-year-old Kathryn Steinle, killed by an immigrant living in the US without permission.

"This is an absolutely disgraceful situation, and I am the only one that can fix it," he added. "Nobody else has the guts to even talk about it. That won't happen if I become president."

The response from the Republican Party has been swift: Over the past four months, Republicans across the country have set in motion a wave of action against sanctuary cities.

In June, the House of Representatives passed a bill defunding sanctuary cities. Senate Republicans failed to pass a similar measure last week, but not before several Republican presidential candidates in the chamber decried the issue.

“Democratic senators choose to value partisan loyalty to the Obama White House over protecting the lives of the children who will be murdered by violent criminal illegal aliens in sanctuary cities,” Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), a presidential candidate, said during a speech on the Senate floor last month.

But while action at the federal level hasn't yielded any results, some Republican-controlled states have begun to move on the issue.


Pat McCrory

'Standing up for the rule of law'

Last month, North Carolina passed a tough immigration-enforcement package that restricted Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program funding and expanded the state's e-verify program, a system that allows employers to verify the eligibility of potential hires.

But the law also included a bizarre, somewhat ambiguous measure that specifically prevents local governments from passing laws that could theoretically limit the execution of federal enforcement law.

In other words, local law-enforcement agencies are barred from putting in place official policies that would explicitly not honor ICE detainer requests.

"Today, North Carolina is standing up for the rule of law, which is central to North Carolina values and our country’s values," McCrory said after the legislation passed, according to The Huffington Post. "Public safety officials must have the flexibility and tools to investigate crimes and sanctuary city policies deprive law enforcement of those tools."

Other states are also looking to take similar steps to restrict so-called sanctuary cities.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) recently issued a letter to Texas sheriffs threatening to withhold grants from the state's Criminal Justice Division if the departments do not comply with ICE detainer requests.

“As Governor, I simply will not allow CJD grant funding administered by this office to support law enforcement agencies that refuse to cooperate with a federal law enforcement program that is intended to keep dangerous criminals off Texas streets,” Abbott said in a statement.

Beyond some backlash from community-policing groups, some law-enforcement agencies are concerned about the ultimate legality of compliance with ICE detainers. Several courts have found that those types of detainers violate the Fourth Amendment, because law-enforcement agents have no probable cause to keep individuals beyond their sentences.


Donald Trump

'A Donald Trump-style move'

Sanctuary cities, rolled into the larger immigration issue, have become a particularly energizing topic on the right. But for candidates looking to play to a more general-election audience, the issue is more politically murky.

A Rasmussen poll released earlier this year found that more than 60% of registered voters believe the Department of Justice should take action against sanctuary cities. The survey, however, did nothing to explain the different types of policies to voters.

Separately earlier this week, the San Francisco sheriff who had vehemently defended the city's status as a sanctuary city — even after Steinle's murder — lost in his bid for re-election. He was under intense scrutiny for a host of issues, however, and his coming replacement also supports San Francisco's status as a sanctuary city.

For their part, Democrats clearly view the issue as a potential political coup. They have taken every opportunity to tie the party as a whole to Trump on immigration.

Javier Gamboa, a spokesman for Rep. Kathy Castor (R-Florida), told Business Insider that Abbott's move to defund sanctuary cities went against the will of law enforcement officials. He said it constituted a "Donald Trump-style" move.

"It’s a Donald Trump-style move and Greg Abbott ought to be embarrassed to play it," Gamboa said. "Law enforcement officials, from both political parties, know that every county in Texas works closely with the Department of Homeland Security to ensure that violent and serious offenders are kept off our streets.

And national Democrats, their eyes on the general election, haven't missed an opportunity to remind voters that the candidate who many consider poses the greatest threat to Hillary Clinton voted for the sanctuary cities bill that Trump supports.

"This bill is — so far, anyway — the ultimate alignment of Marco Rubio's campaign platform with Donald Trump's immigration policy," Pablo Manriquez, the Democratic National Committee's Hispanic media director, told Business Insider last month.

http://www.businessinsider.com/donal...cities-2015-10

Originally Posted by Jean

3 hrs ago
Maxwell Tani

Beyond some backlash from community-policing groups, some law-enforcement agencies are concerned about the ultimate legality of compliance with ICE detainers. Several courts have found that those types of detainers violate the Fourth Amendment, because law-enforcement agents have no probable cause to keep individuals beyond their sentences.



http://www.businessinsider.com/donal...cities-2015-10

Are these agencies and judges for real? If ICE is coming to retrieve a detainee, then that detainee must be in violation of immigrant or customs law. Does ICE randomly go to local jails harassing citizens of the U.S.? I don't think so. If ICE is involved, someone somewhere has documentation that the detainee is here illegally, right? If that is the case, then the Constitution does not apply to them. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights are protections for U.S. citizens only. The search and seizure 4th amendment rights should not even come into question. And if it does, then shouldn't proof of illegal status be enough for probable cause?

When are these agencies and judges going to start protecting the rights of citizens instead of these immigrant criminals?

-Stop the invasion with mass deportation!

Originally Posted by Jean

3 hrs ago
Maxwell Tani


Almost five months later, there's little doubt that Trump has become one of the figures most responsible for shaping policy on his signature issue: immigration.

Republicans from the state to federal level have worked to enact tighter immigration laws, as the issue has gained prominence on the campaign trail.

Since launching his presidential run earlier this year, Trump has been one of the most prominent Republicans calling for the end of so-called "sanctuary cities."

"This is an absolutely disgraceful situation, and I am the only one that can fix it," he added. "Nobody else has the guts to even talk about it. That won't happen if I become president."

The response from the Republican Party has been swift: Over the past four months, Republicans across the country have set in motion a wave of action against sanctuary cities.

“Democratic senators choose to value partisan loyalty to the Obama White House over protecting the lives of the children who will be murdered by violent criminal illegal aliens in sanctuary cities,” Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), a presidential candidate, said during a speech on the Senate floor last month.


Pat McCrory

'Standing up for the rule of law'

Last month, North Carolina passed a tough immigration-enforcement package that restricted Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program funding and expanded the state's e-verify program, a system that allows employers to verify the eligibility of potential hires.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) recently issued a letter to Texas sheriffs threatening to withhold grants from the state's Criminal Justice Division if the departments do not comply with ICE detainer requests.

“As Governor, I simply will not allow CJD grant funding administered by this office to support law enforcement agencies that refuse to cooperate with a federal law enforcement program that is intended to keep dangerous criminals off Texas streets,” Abbott said in a statement.

Donald Trump

'A Donald Trump-style move'

Sanctuary cities, rolled into the larger immigration issue, have become a particularly energizing topic on the right. But for candidates looking to play to a more general-election audience, the issue is more politically murky.

A Rasmussen poll released earlier this year found that more than 60% of registered voters believe the Department of Justice should take action against sanctuary cities. The survey, however, did nothing to explain the different types of policies to voters.




http://www.businessinsider.com/donal...cities-2015-10

Thank you Senator Cruz for speaking on behalf of U.S. citizens and OUR rights!
Thank you Governor McCroy for your pro-citizen protection laws!
Thank you Governor Abbot for at least getting the ball rolling. Please continue your efforts swiftly!
Thank you 60% of registered voters for answering polls and speaking out against sanctuary cities!

And most of all, thank you Mr. Trump! You have set the example that you can speak "politically incorrect" and gain enormous support from law abiding citizens that are tired of our government favoring illegals over the rights of U.S. citizens.

Mr. Trump is bringing so many together while merely running his campaign, imagine what he will accomplish as President Trump!

Watch out all you nah sayers. Trump is bringing us together and already starting to "Make America Great Again". He's already fulfilling his campaign promises. How many others running can say that!

-Stop the invasion with mass deportation!

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"For the the longest time we saw a lot of anti-immigrant measures happen at the federal level, or complete inaction at the federal level, and then we saw the states going in the opposite direction, and seeking policies that recognized the value of immigrants to the economy, to the community," Melissa Keaney, an attorney at the pro-immigration reform National Immigration Law Center told Business Insider.

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There it is again. I know we should be used to it, but it still bothers the he// outa me when I see it.

QUOTE - -If ICE is involved, someone somewhere has documentation that the detainee is here illegally, right? If that is the case, then the Constitution does not apply to them. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights are protections for U.S. citizens only. The search and seizure 4th amendment rights should not even come into question. And if it does, then shouldn't proof of illegal status be enough for probable cause? --QUOTE--


Yes, all the pro amnesty/sanctuary city politicians are using this 4th amendment ploy to deceive the public. The newly elected mayor of Philadelphia, Kenney has used those words and claims if necessary, he will not take federal funds rather than comply with ICE (more financial loss and more on the backs of taxpayers). First things first, they are hear illegally and should be deported. They are not entitled to the rights of our citizens.

Total disregard for our immigration laws and total disregard for the safety of our citizens & a 4x bump in property taxes that go to our schools that are filled with illegals' kids.

Our young people do not have job opportunities - all the restaurants use illegals, as do landscapers, construction, hotels, even hospitals; as well as white collar positions too. And of course an enormous amount of IT jobs to Indian H-1b visa workers. Comcast is filled to the brim with them and they have a 10 yr tax abatement on their enormous new building.

It is irritating to hear "racism", "hate", "breaking up families", "release hard criminals that are illegal" when all Mr Trump & our citizens want to hear is "enforce our immigration laws" that have been broken big time. We have laws and we have borders - does not equate to the negative words being said which are a diversion to deceive and confuse the public and to permit all this cheap labor and we pay for all their babies. "Nation of immigrants" is another one - the reality is immigration only works if the numbers are reasonable; no one would complain if that were happening.

One criteria to be here is the desire to assimilate and the central americans, mexicans are not capable of doing that - and the muslims too, yet they will flood this country with them also - very dangerous and disruptive especially with known inbreeding of middle east muslims and central americans that research has found causes violence and schizophrenia.

Look at the troubles in Europe - that will be here too. California is known to be a trend setter within the US but Europe has also been a trend setter for the USA. The jerk that produced the vulgar kids "Trump hate video" is talking @ pushing the "hate speech punishment laws" that have been used to overtake Europe due to the severe penalties - so that could be next in the USA. You see issues starting here with demands for mosques on campus, prayer rugs and calls in the streets and of course the list of hispanic demands.

Originally Posted by realbsball

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"For the the longest time we saw a lot of anti-immigrant measures happen at the federal level, or complete inaction at the federal level, and then we saw the states going in the opposite direction, and seeking policies that recognized the value of immigrants to the economy, to the community," Melissa Keaney, an attorney at the pro-immigration reform National Immigration Law Center told Business Insider.

There it is again. I know we should be used to it, but it still bothers the he// outa me when I see it.[/QUOTE]

Me too! They know it's a lie, we know it's a lie, and the media knows it's a lie.

Originally Posted by artist

QUOTE - -If ICE is involved, someone somewhere has documentation that the detainee is here illegally, right? If that is the case, then the Constitution does not apply to them. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights are protections for U.S. citizens only. The search and seizure 4th amendment rights should not even come into question. And if it does, then shouldn't proof of illegal status be enough for probable cause? --QUOTE--


Yes, all the pro amnesty/sanctuary city politicians are using this 4th amendment ploy to deceive the public. The newly elected mayor of Philadelphia, Kenney has used those words and claims if necessary, he will not take federal funds rather than comply with ICE (more financial loss and more on the backs of taxpayers). First things first, they are hear illegally and should be deported. They are not entitled to the rights of our citizens.

Total disregard for our immigration laws and total disregard for the safety of our citizens & a 4x bump in property taxes that go to our schools that are filled with illegals' kids.

Our young people do not have job opportunities - all the restaurants use illegals, as do landscapers, construction, hotels, even hospitals; as well as white collar positions too. And of course an enormous amount of IT jobs to Indian H-1b visa workers. Comcast is filled to the brim with them and they have a 10 yr tax abatement on their enormous new building.

It is irritating to hear "racism", "hate", "breaking up families", "release hard criminals that are illegal" when all Mr Trump & our citizens want to hear is "enforce our immigration laws" that have been broken big time. We have laws and we have borders - does not equate to the negative words being said which are a diversion to deceive and confuse the public and to permit all this cheap labor and we pay for all their babies. "Nation of immigrants" is another one - the reality is immigration only works if the numbers are reasonable; no one would complain if that were happening.

One criteria to be here is the desire to assimilate and the central americans, mexicans are not capable of doing that - and the muslims too, yet they will flood this country with them also - very dangerous and disruptive especially with known inbreeding of middle east muslims and central americans that research has found causes violence and schizophrenia.

Look at the troubles in Europe - that will be here too. California is known to be a trend setter within the US but Europe has also been a trend setter for the USA. The jerk that produced the vulgar kids "Trump hate video" is talking @ pushing the "hate speech punishment laws" that have been used to overtake Europe due to the severe penalties - so that could be next in the USA. You see issues starting here with demands for mosques on campus, prayer rugs and calls in the streets and of course the list of hispanic demands.

HEY! I love every word you wrote. Yes, sir. You're not alone buddy.