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    End the Protesting and Start Participating

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    End the Protesting and Start Participating
    by Ruben Navarette, Jr.

    Don't protest, participate.

    It used to be that protesters took to the streets to build public support for their cause. Now they do it to show their strength. Instead of moving you to join them, now they want you to know that they won't be moved.

    That's especially true when the issue is illegal immigration. Around the country, immigrant-rights activists, illegal-immigration apologists and open-border advocates are protesting immigration reform efforts in Congress.

    In Chicago, nearly 100,000 people clogged the streets recently in support of immigrants and looser immigration laws. Clearly offended by efforts to criminalize the undocumented, many protesters carried signs with slogans such as: “No somos criminales” (We're not criminals.)

    Not to be overly technical, but if the person holding the sign came into the United States illegally, then he or she most certainly is a lawbreaker. This part isn't complicated. There are federal immigration laws on the books governing the proper way for one to enter the United States, and, every year, more than a million people break those laws by entering the wrong way. Ergo, these people should be considered criminals.

    Those who believe otherwise have one leg to stand on. For the time being, the fact that one is in the United States without the proper documents is only a civil violation. That's a technicality that deserves to be changed. The Border Protection, Anti-Terrorism and Illegal Immigration Control Act – co-sponsored by Congressmen James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., and Peter King, R-N.Y., and passed by the House in December – would do that.

    Don't misunderstand. The bill is deeply flawed. It ducks the tough question of what to do with the 12 million illegal immigrants already here, and it makes clergy, charities and social workers into criminals by expanding the definition of “smuggling” to include anyone who “assists” an illegal immigrant.

    But the part about making unlawful presence a crime seems like a reasonable concession. It's also the part that many in the immigrant-rights movement are angry about.

    It's fascinating. Many illegal immigrants and their advocates really seem to believe that if you enter the country illegally but then keep your nose clean and never break another law, it's like you never entered illegally in the first place. You're the equivalent of an upstanding citizen.
    There's the problem. Everyone has an opinion on illegal immigration. But on both sides, whether you're talking about immigration restrictionists or open-border advocates, no one wants to be honest and admit the obvious.

    On the right, they'll never admit that younger Americans in particular have lost their work ethic, or that much of the angst over illegal immigration comes from the clash of cultures. On the left, they'll never admit that the undocumented did anything wrong in coming here, or that the United States has the right to protect the sovereignty of its borders.

    Meanwhile, personally, I'm getting fed up with flamboyant, self-satisfying street protests such as the one in Chicago. Here you had thousands of people waving Mexican flags – granted, along with a good number of American flags – who seemed completely unaware that they were killing their own cause. A lot of Americans are already freaked out by what they're convinced is a Mexican invasion, so naturally what do the protesters do? Wave the Mexican flag. A lot of Americans are already afraid of becoming less relevant because of rapidly changing demographics. So what do the protesters do? Declare the concerns of many over illegal immigration to be irrelevant.

    Besides, protests like the one in Chicago or in front of the U.S. Capitol around the same time only reinforce the stereotype that all Latinos favor amnesty and want some special accommodation to sneak in our relatives to the south. Latinos' views are more complicated than that. But you wouldn't know it from the images on the evening news.

    I understand that the protesters want their voices heard. With Congress working itself into a frenzy, a lot of people are scared, frustrated and angry. But there are more productive ways to be heard than with chants and banners and raised fists. They could educate themselves about the issues and decide what immigration reforms they could live with. And those who are U.S. citizens could vote in large numbers and begin pushing back on those politicians who are pushing them around.

    Participatory democracy may not be as dramatic as marching through the streets, but, on occasion, it has changed the world.

    Best of all, it's an example of being proactive, while the protesters are stuck being reactive and letting others set the agenda. Whatever else you want to call that, it's not a show of strength.
    <div>"True patriotism hates injustice in its own land more than anywhere else."
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    On the right, they'll never admit that younger Americans in particular have lost their work ethic, or that much of the angst over illegal immigration comes from the clash of cultures.
    I sure don't have any trouble "admitting" that the angst comes from a clash of cultures

    Rule of Law vs Lawlessness

    Responsible Reproduction Rates vs Reproducing like Devotees of a Fertility Cult

    Marriage after education and work training vs Marriage at 12 to 14 yrs of age

    Women's rights, equality and dignity vs Barbaric cavemanlike rule of brawn and unbridled degradation of women and children-

    Fighting for better working conditions and wages vs SCAB-like and SLAVE-like laying down for the Corporate masters like 2 bit wh*res.

    A false pretense of religion that allows the most heinous of crimes to be blessed by the Fathers of the Church, a religion existing only to give rationalizations for stealing and falsehood to its flock. A religion that comes from a power-mad background and will always be suspect of those ambitions.

    The cultural clash goes on and on. It comes down to Civilized vs. Backward ways of life.

    As we fight this runaway locamotive of forces pushing for our cultural demise, we have begun the descending spiral into a dark cultural NIGHT - something like the middle ages in its depths of ignorance.

    NO, MEXICO WE DO NOT WANT YOUR CULTURE!

    Sylvia Alvarado
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    Sylvia Alvarado,

    I can sympathize with your own position. I have Mexican family members as part of the family immigrated their and part to the U.S. Part of the current problem is undoubtedly the action of the American unionists who do not care about marginalizing the American poor. As long as there are illegal immigrants who are willing chip in to the wages of union bosses the traditional spokes people for American labor could not care less for displaced Americans.

    Part of the problem is that aid within a family should exist in such a way as to help to foster their self reliance where they are. Instead of assisting illegal migration the legal immigrants and Mexican American citizens should be providing asistance to help them create income an in Mexico.
    I support enforcement and see its lack as bad for the 3rd World as well. Remittances are now mostly spent on consumption not production assets. Join our efforts to Secure America's Borders and End Illegal Immigration by Joining ALIPAC's E-Mail Alerts network (CLICK HERE)

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    Here you had thousands of people waving Mexican flags – granted, along with a good number of American flags – who seemed completely unaware that they were killing their own cause.
    This was the quote I liked best, and why I posted this piece. From the accounts I've read, I don't know about a "good number of American flags" being present, but I do know that he's right about Americans getting freaked out. In part these protests, demonstrations, whatever-you-want-to-call-them are what prompted me to get out and do more.

    Participatory democracy is what we do here--we don't march and protest and revolt and overthrow--that's more the SOP in Latin America where political instability, corruption and chaos reign. I guess people do what they know, but we can only hope that they are in fact "killing their own cause" by taking to the streets in such displays here in our country.
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