Results 1 to 6 of 6

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

  1. #1
    Senior Member Populist's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    8,085

    Farms' answer to illegal immigration is to grow crops in Mex

    American farms' answer to illegal immigration is to grow crops in Mexico

    The Associated Press
    Tuesday, May 27, 2008
    IRAPUATO, Mexico: Antonio Martinez no longer pays smugglers thousands of dollars each year to sneak him into the United States to manage farm crews. Now, the work comes to him.

    Supervising lettuce pickers in central Mexico, Martinez earns just half of the 11,400 pesos (US$1,100) a week he made in the U.S. But the job has its advantages, including working without fear of immigration raids.

    "Because I never moved my family to the U.S., I was always alone there," said Martinez, 45, who could never get a work permit, even after 16 years in agriculture in California and Arizona. "When I got the opportunity to be close to my family, doing similar work, I didn't even have to think about it."

    Martinez, now a legal employee of U.S.-owned VegPacker de Mexico, is exactly the kind of worker more American farm companies are seeking. Many have moved their fields to Mexico, where they can find qualified people, often with U.S. experience, who can't be deported.

    American companies now farm more than 45,000 acres (18,200 hectares) of land in three Mexican states, employing about 11,000 people, a 2007 survey by the U.S. farm group Western Growers shows.

    There were no earlier studies to document how much the acreage has grown. But U.S. direct investment in Mexican agriculture, which includes both American companies moving their operations to Mexico and setting up Mexican partnerships, has swelled sevenfold to 624 million pesos (US$60 million) since 2000, Mexico's Economy Department told The Associated Press.

    Major corporations such as Archer Daniels Midland Co. and Bunge have invested across Latin America for decades, particularly in countries like Brazil, where agribusiness is booming.

    Some small farmers have cultivated parts of Mexico for much longer, seeking to secure year-round supplies of fruits and vegetables, while taking advantage of cheap labor and proximity to the U.S.

    But the latest move south has been fueled by something new, farmers say: a way to continue to deliver cheap, fresh farm goods amid the current U.S. political standoff over an estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants, the majority from Mexico.

    Recent Immigration and Customs Enforcement raids have targeted major agricultural producers, including Del Monte Fresh Produce in Portland, Oregon, and several large packing plants across the nation — scaring away immigrants and persuading many agricultural employers to clean up their hiring practices.

    "Employers can't find legal workers to replace this huge number of illegal workers," said James Holt, an agricultural labor economist and independent consultant based in Washington. "Their only option is to go where the workers are."

    Many of the growers, once based in California's Salinas Valley, are also heading south to escape high land prices and water shortages. Mexico is closer to eastern U.S. markets than California, they say. Shipping times to Atlanta are a day shorter from Mexico's central Guanajuato state.

    Not everyone in Mexico has welcomed U.S. companies. Mexican farmers complain that they have driven up land rental prices. Many local growers worry they can't compete against big, foreign firms, said Felipe Sanchez, president of a farmers group in Guanajuato state.

    "How can a ranch that farms 70 acres (30 hectares) compete with a company that came to farm 10,000 acres (4,000 hectares)?" Sanchez said. "We'll become laborers on our own ranches."

    Farm workers at U.S. companies in Mexico make two or three times Mexico's minimum wage of 50 pesos (US$4.80) a day. But they still earn far less than the average 100 pesos (US$9.60) an hour that field workers in the United States made in January 2008, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

    Juan Antonio Linarez, 19, makes a tenth of his U.S. roofing income at Taylor Farms de Mexico's vegetable cooling plant in Guanajuato. But he has health insurance and can live nearby with his family without the dangerous and expensive trek across the border.

    Some experts argue that farmers simply refuse to raise U.S. wages to compete with other industries, something they say would help ease the labor crunch. As the United States heads into a recession, more native-born workers might consider agricultural work if wages were high enough, said Harley Shaiken, director of the University of California at Berkeley's Center for Latin American Studies.

    "Labor shortage always is a question of at what pay rate," Shaiken said. "Very often, if the wages are artificially low, it will be very difficult to find a work force."

    But Steve Scaroni said he did offer higher wages and still couldn't find a steady work force in the U.S.

    Scaroni owns VegPacker, a California and Guanajuato-based company that grows lettuce, celery, cauliflower and other vegetables. VegPacker has struggled after forking out millions of dollars to launch its Mexico division two years ago.

    The problem is that cheaper labor in Mexico often is offset by lower productivity and high training costs, especially when it comes to enforcing U.S. food-safety standards.

    "The only thing that's cheaper down here is diesel fuel and the labor per day," Scaroni said. "My productivity is down 40 percent" from U.S. levels.

    "I'm very concerned about the future of agriculture in the U.S.," he added.

    http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/05/ ... arming.php
    Join our efforts to Secure America's Borders and End Illegal Immigration by Joining ALIPAC's E-Mail Alerts network (CLICK HERE)

  2. #2
    Senior Member miguelina's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    9,253
    Supervising lettuce pickers in central Mexico, Martinez earns just half of the 11,400 pesos (US$1,100) a week he made in the U.S. But the job has its advantages, including working without fear of immigration raids.
    What job paid him $1100 a week in the US? I find it very hard to believe it was a job no American would do. If he's making over $500 a week in Mexico, he's doing very well for himself and his family.

    The problem is that [quote:1dj1howd]cheaper labor in Mexico often is offset by lower productivity and high training cos
    ts, especially when it comes to enforcing U.S. food-safety standards.

    "The only thing that's cheaper down here is diesel fuel and the labor per day," Scaroni said. "My productivity is down 40 percent" from U.S. levels. [/quote:1dj1howd] If the Mexicans are such hard workers, as the US farmers claim, why is productivity down that much? Why do they have to be "trained" if they were already doing ag work illegally in the US?

    I'm all for the farmers moving to Mexico and taking the IAs with them. We no longer have to subsidize the slave wages the farmers are paying them.
    Join our efforts to Secure America's Borders and End Illegal Immigration by Joining ALIPAC's E-Mail Alerts network (CLICK HERE)
    "

  3. #3
    Senior Member redpony353's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    SF
    Posts
    4,883
    THEY CAN ALL MOVE DOWN THERE I DONT CARE. I GROW MY OWN VEGGIES NOW AND THEY TASTE BETTER AND ARE VIRTUALLY FREE. THEY DONT MAKE ME SICK EITHER. I HOPE THOSE FARMERS CAN SELL ALL THEIR CROPS DOWN MEXICO WAY BECAUSE I DONT THINK TOO MANY AMERICANS ARE GOING TO WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE ON ANYTHING GROWN IN MEXICO. AND HOW FRESH CAN IT BE BY THE TIME IT COMES ALL THE WAY UP HERE IN 100 DEGREE HEAT. AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT IT IS BEING TRANSPORTED WITH.
    Join our efforts to Secure America's Borders and End Illegal Immigration by Joining ALIPAC's E-Mail Alerts network (CLICK HERE)

  4. #4
    Senior Member USPatriot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    SW Florida
    Posts
    3,827
    More & more Americans are buying local in season produce,eggs and meat.We are sick of getting sick from produce grown So. of the border.

    I hope the Big Ag. Businesses all move South and they can give up their undeserved Federal Farm Subsidies too.

    I pray we can elect more people to congress who care about Americans and are willing to stop the handouts to Big Agra Businesses.
    "A Government big enough to give you everything you want,is strong enough to take everything you have"* Thomas Jefferson

  5. #5
    Senior Member judyweller's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Maryland, Alleghany County
    Posts
    688
    I am all for the fams moving to Mexico -- it is a much better alternative than bringing the Mexican to this country.

    These farms can employ LEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN MEXICO and help keep illegal farmworkers out of this country.

    I hope more farms move to Mexico rather than keep farming here and demanding amnesty for their illegal immigrant workers.

  6. #6
    Senior Member misterbill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    1,084

    why now, why not all along???

    Martinez, now a legal employee of U.S.-owned VegPacker de Mexico, is exactly the kind of worker more American farm companies are seeking. Many have moved their fields to Mexico, where they can find qualified people, often with U.S. experience, who can't be deported.

    American companies now farm more than 45,000 acres (18,200 hectares) of land in three Mexican states, employing about 11,000 people, a 2007 survey by the U.S. farm group Western Growers shows


    I read a similar story on another blog site about 4 months ago. It turned ouit the "poor" farmer was actually a worker placement specialist also. He worked in bringing temp labor into America to work in the fields. If the farms in Mexico work, how come American farmers had to go there to get the crops planted. What kind of government exists in Mexico that it rather send their people to other countries than to help them to be successful in their own country. Kiss off , Mexico!!!

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •