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    Federal officials tell police: Release illegal immigrants

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    08/08/2006
    Federal officials tell police: Release illegal immigrants
    BY ROBERT KALINOWSKI
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    BUTLER TOWNSHIP — Police said they temporarily detained four illegal immigrants Sunday afternoon on Interstate 80 in Butler Township, but had to let them go.

    Federal immigration officials told state troopers they did not wish to take action, and the Mexican nationals had to be released, state police at Hazleton said.

    “If they’re not wanted for a crime, sometimes they (immigration officials) don’t want them,” state police Cpl. Richard Verbonitz said.

    According to state police, a trooper encountered the four illegal immigrants around 2:55 p.m., when their vehicle broke down along the highway’s westbound lanes near mile marker 262.

    The trooper called the regional office of Immigration and Customs Enforcement but was told the agency was not interested in picking up the illegal immigrants, police said.

    Police then had to let the illegal immigrants go.

    It was unknown from where the group was traveling.

    A spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement said she was not immediately aware of specific details about the Butler Township incident but did say there are times when agency officials have to decide whether or not to respond to a call from police.
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    A spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement said she was not immediately aware of specific details about the Butler Township incident but did say there are times when agency officials have to decide whether or not to respond to a call from police.
    Like a lot of the time.
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    The trooper called the regional office of Immigration and Customs Enforcement but was told the agency was not interested in picking up the illegal immigrants, police said.
    This is just absolutely apauling. I can't figure out this ICE dept. I wish someone there would pull their head out.
    "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the same results is the definition of insanity. " Albert Einstein.

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    Read this Our homeland security actually went and searched for this guy and gave him immunity and medical at a base in Texas! after he agreed to testify against agents. A Illegal drug dealer who had 800 pounds of marajuana in a van. They took his word of a boarder patrol agenst who one was to receive a award this year!
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    Convicted border agent tells his story
    Daily Bulletin ^ | 8/6/06 | Sara A. Carter


    Posted on 08/06/2006 10:57:27 AM PDT by NormsRevenge


    EL PASO, Texas - Border Patrol Agent Ignacio Ramos could hear his heart racing. He could feel the dry, hot dust burning against his skin as he chased a drug trafficker trying to flee back into Mexico.

    Ramos' fellow agent, Jose Alonso Compean, was lying on the ground behind him, banged up and bloody from a scuffle with the much-bigger smuggler moments earlier.

    Suddenly the smuggler turned toward the pursuing Ramos, gun in hand. Ramos, his own weapon already drawn, shot at him, though the man was able to flee into the brush and escape the agents.

    Now, nearly 18 months after that violent encounter, Ramos and Compean are facing 20 years in federal prison for their actions.

    Why?

    According to the U.S. attorney who successfully prosecuted the agents, the man they were chasing didn't actually have a gun, shooting him in the back violated his civil rights, the agents didn't know for a fact that he was a drug smuggler, and they broke Border Patrol rules about discharging their weapons and preserving a crime scene.

    Even more broadly, Assistant U.S. Attorney Debra Kanof said, Ramos and Compean had no business chasing someone in the first place.

    "It is a violation of Border Patrol regulations to go after someone who is fleeing," she said. "The Border Patrol pursuit policy prohibits the pursuit of someone."

    Her arguments, along with testimony from other agents on the scene and that of the smuggler himself, swayed a jury. It was a crushing blow to Compean and Ramos, both of whom had pursued suspects along the border as a regular part of their job.

    It also appears to fly in the face of the Border Patrol's own edicts, which include "detouring illegal entries through improved enforcement" and "apprehending and detouring smugglers of humans, drugs and other contraband."

    The smuggler was given full immunity to testify against the agents and complete medical care at William Beaumont Army Medical Center, in El Paso.

    Neither Ramos nor Compean had granted an interview in the almost 18 months since the shooting. Compean's attorneys have told him to not speak to anyone about the case.

    But Ramos and his family say they no longer can be silent.

    "They don't throw this many charges at guys they've caught with over 2,000 pounds of marijuana," Ramos said. "There's murderers and child rapists that are looking at less time than me.

    "I am not guilty. I did not do what they're accusing me of."

    SPEAKING OUT

    Ramos, 37, and Compean, 28, are set to be sentenced Aug. 22 for shooting Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, a Mexican citizen, on Feb. 17, 2005, in the small Texas town of Fabens, about 40 miles south east of El Paso.

    A Texas jury convicted the pair of assault with serious bodily injury; assault with a deadly weapon; discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence; and a civil rights violation. Compean and Ramos also were convicted of four counts and two counts, respectively, of obstruction of justice for not reporting that their weapons had been fired.

    The jury acquitted both men of assault with intent to commit murder.

    But the conviction for discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence requires a minimum 10-year prison sentence. The sentences for the other convictions vary.

    On July 25, the El Paso U.S. Probation Office recommended to Judge Kathleen Cardone that each man get 20 years.

    Ramos, an eight-year veteran of the U.S. Naval Reserve and a former nominee for Border Patrol Agent of the Year, now has but one thing on his mind: What will happen to his wife and three young sons if he spends the next two decades in prison?

    "It's (with) a leap of faith and my devotion to God that me and my family will make it through this," Ramos said as he looked at his wife, Monica, during an exclusive interview with the Daily Bulletin this past month in El Paso.

    Two things were clear throughout the interview: Ramos is convinced he was simply doing his job when Aldrete-Davila was shot, and he is perplexed as to why he and his partner are being punished so severely.

    IGNACIO'S STORY

    Here's Ramos' version of what happened that day:

    On Feb. 17, 2005, Compean was monitoring the south side of a levee road near the Rio Grande on the U.S.-Mexico border in Fabens when he spotted a suspicious van driving down the north end of the road. He called for backup.

    Ramos headed to Fabens, where he thought he could intercept the van at one of only two roads leading in and out of the small town.

    Another agent was already following the van -- with Aldrete-Davila at the wheel -- when Ramos arrived.

    Ramos and the other agent followed the van through the center of town until it turned back toward the Rio Grande, which marks the border between Mexico and the United States. Aldrete-Davila, unable to outrun the agents, stopped his van on a levee, got out and started running. Compean was waiting for him on the other side of the levee.

    "We both yelled out for him to stop, but he wouldn't stop, and he just kept running," Ramos said.

    Aldrete-Davila made his way through a canal, and Ramos could hear Compean yelling for Aldrete-Davila to stop, he said.

    "At some point during the time where I'm crossing the canal, I hear shots being fired," Ramos said. "Later, I see Compean on the ground, but I keep running after the smuggler."

    Through the thick dust, Ramos watched as Aldrete-Davila turned toward him, pointing what appeared to be a gun.

    "I shot," he said. "But I didn't think he was hit, because he kept running into the brush and then disappeared into it. Later, we all watched as he jumped into a van waiting for him. He seemed fine. It didn't look like he had been hit at all."

    Seven other agents were on the scene by that time. Compean had already picked up his shell casings. Ramos did not, though he failed to report the shooting.

    "The supervisors knew that shots were fired," Ramos said. "Since nobody was injured or hurt, we didn't file the report. That's the only thing I would've done different."

    The van later was found to have about 800 pounds of marijuana inside.

    A DIFFERENT TAKE

    The version of events presented by the U.S. Attorney's Office during the agents' trial differed markedly from Ramos'.

    "The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled it is a violation of someone's Fourth Amendment rights to shoot them in the back while fleeing if you don't know who they are and/or if you don't know they have a weapon," said Kanof, the assistant U.S. attorney.

    Ramos testified during the trial that he saw Aldrete-Davila with something "shiny" in his hand, she said, and though Ramos told the Daily Bulletin he thought it was a gun, he couldn't be sure, she said.

    Moreover, the agents "did not know who this individual was or what he had in the van," Kanof said. "They just decided or guessed."

    She then reiterated her contention that pursuing Aldrete-Davila or anyone else fleeing border agents is not part of the Border Patrol's job.

    "Agents are not allowed to pursue. In order to exceed the speed limit, you have to get supervisor approval, and they did not," she said.

    The prosecutor also said the men destroyed the crime scene when Compean picked up his shell casings and attempted to cover up their actions by not reporting they'd fired their weapons.

    PUZZLING ARGUMENT

    Ramos said his pursuit of Aldrete-Davila was nothing different from what he's done in the past 10 years as a Border Patrol agent.

    "How are we supposed to follow the Border Patrol strategy of apprehending terrorists or drug smugglers if we are not supposed to pursue fleeing people?" he continued. "Everybody who's breaking the law flees from us. What are we supposed to do? Do they want us to catch them or not?"

    Ramos also said that both supervisors who were at the scene knew shots had been fired but did not file reports.

    "You need to tell a supervisor because you can't assume that a supervisor knows about it," Kanof countered. "You have to report any discharge of a firearm."

    Mary Stillinger, Ramos' attorney, and Maria Ramirez, Compean's attorney, said during the trial that every other Border Patrol agent at the scene also failed to report shots had been fired.

    "Every single witness has a reason to lie," Ramirez said, referring to the immunity granted to Aldrete-Davila and the other agents in exchange for testifying against Ramos and Compean.

    According to the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Table of Offenses and Penalties, failure to report that a weapon has been fired in the line of duty is punishable by a five-day suspension.

    Ramos also is puzzled as to why, more than two weeks after the shooting, a Department of Homeland Security investigator -- acting on a tip from a Border Patrol agent in Arizona -- tracked down Aldrete-Davila in Mexico, offering him immunity if he testified against the agents who shot at him.

    Why the agent tipped Homeland Security to the smuggler's whereabouts is partly explained in a confidential Homeland Security memo obtained by the Daily Bulletin. Why the department and the U.S. Attorney's Office in El Paso pursued the matter so aggressively is less clear.

    "Osbaldo (Aldrete-Davila) had told (Border Patrol agent) Rene Sanchez that his friends had told him they should put together a hunting party and go shoot some BP agents in revenge for them shooting Osbaldo," reads a memo written by Christopher Sanchez, an investigator with the department's Office of Inspector General. "Osbaldo advised Rene Sanchez that he told his friends he was not interested in going after the BP agents and getting in more trouble."

    Neither Rene Sanchez nor Christopher Sanchez could be reached for comment. Mike Friels, a spokesman for the U.S. Customs and Border Protection branch of the Department of Homeland Security, said he could not comment on the case, citing pending litigation.

    BEHIND THE SCENES

    In the same Homeland Security memo, Christopher Sanchez outlines how the investigation into Ramos and Compean was initiated.

    On March 10, 2005, Christopher Sanchez received a telephone call from Border Patrol agent Rene Sanchez of Wilcox, Ariz., who told the agent about Aldrete-Davila's encounter with Ramos and Compean.

    According to the document, Rene Sanchez stated "that Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila's mother, Marcadia Aldrete-Davila, contacted Rene Sanchez's mother-in-law, Gregoria Toquinto, and advised her about the BP agents shooting Aldrete-Davila. Toquinto told her son-in-law, Rene Sanchez, of the incident, and he spoke to Osbaldo via a telephone call."

    During the trial, the connection between Rene Sanchez and Aldrete-Davila confused the Ramos family, and "we questioned how an agent from Arizona would know or want to defend a drug smuggler from Mexico," said Monica Ramos.

    Kanof bristled when asked about the Rene Sanchez/Aldrete-Davila connection.

    "It's an unconscionable accusation that Sanchez is associated with a drug dealer," she said. "Most BP agents who are Hispanic have family from Mexico. He was born in the U.S. and raised in Mexico and came back to do high school and later became an agent."

    The Ramoses also contend Aldrete-Davila's story changed several times.

    According to the memo, Aldrete-Davila told investigators the agents shot him in the buttocks when he was trying to enter the country illegally from Mexico. But according to Aldrete-Davila's later testimony and that of the agents, he was shot after trying to evade the agents upon his re-entry into Mexico.

    The memo never was disclosed to the jury.

    Aldrete-Davila is suing the Border Patrol for $5 million for violating his civil rights.

    MISSING HISTORY

    As a Border Patrol agent, Ramos has been involved in the capture of nearly 100 drug smugglers and the seizure of untold thousands of pounds of narcotics. He also was nominated for Border Patrol Agent of the Year in March 2005, though the nomination was withdrawn after details of the Aldrete-Davila incident came out.

    Ramos also had drug interdiction training from the Drug Enforcement Agency and qualified as a Task Force Officer with the Border Patrol. But Ramos' training in narcotics -- as well as the numerous credentials he had received for taking Border Patrol field training classes -- was not admissible during the trial, he said.

    "My husband is a good man, a loving father, and his devotion to his country and his job is undeniable," Monica Ramos said. "Prosecutors treated the drug smuggler like an innocent victim, refusing to allow testimony that would have helped my husband. The smuggler was given immunity. My husband is facing a life in prison.

    "It's so frightening, it doesn't seem real."

    The El Paso Sheriff's Department has met with the Ramos family to discuss continued threats against them from people they believe to be associated with Aldrete-Davila. The sheriff's department also has increased patrols around the family's home.

    The only other organization that has responded to the Ramoses thus far, Monica Ramos said, is the Chino-based nonprofit group Friends of the Border Patrol, chaired by Andy Ramirez.

    "This is the greatest miscarriage of justice I have ever seen," Ramirez said. "This drug smuggler has fully contributed to the destruction of two brave agents and their families and has sent a very loud message to the other Border Patrol agents: If you confront a smuggler, this is what will happen to you."

    TJ Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, the union representing border agents, said the Border Patrol's official pursuit policy handcuffs agents in the field. He also sees the prosecution of Ramos and Compean as part of a larger effort by the federal government.

    "The pursuit policy has negatively affected the Border Patrol's mission as well as public safety. Part of that mission is stop terrorists and drug smugglers," Bonner said. "They could be smuggling Osama bin Laden, drugs, illegal aliens, or it could have been just some drunk teenager out on a joyride. You don't know until you stop them."

    "The administration is trying to intimidate front-line agents from doing their job," he added. "If they can't do it administratively, they'll do it with trumped-up criminal charges.

    "Moreover, the specter of improprieties in the prosecution of this case raises serious concerns that demand an immediate, thorough and impartial investigation."

    COUNTING THE DAYS

    About a week ago, feeling little hope, Joe Loya, Monica Ramos' father, took the family on what will be Ignacio Ramos' last fishing trip with his sons before he is sentenced.

    "What kind of justice is this?" Loya asked. "What kind of nation do we live in when the word of a smuggler means more than the word of a just man?"

    Monica Ramos says her hardest day is yet to come -- the day the authorities take her husband away.

    "We just guard (our children's) hearts right now," Monica Ramos said. "I think about the last time he'll hug them as children, and maybe not get the chance to hug them again until they are grown men."

    The sons are between 8 and 13 years old.

    Ignacio Ramos was, if anything, even more emotional.

    "Less than a month left with my family," he said, his voice choking, as though the air had been pulled from his lungs. "My sons," he whispered. Then silence.

    It took several minutes for Ramos to summon more words. "All I think about at night is the day I have to leave my family. I can't sleep. I've always been with them."

    Then he talked about the memories he would never have, "their first dates, high school graduation, sports," and the tears falling from his eyes were mirrored only by those of his wife, who took his hand into hers.



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    1 posted on 08/06/2006 10:57:29 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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    Great. Not one US Border Patrol agent on duty will be doing their job after this outcome.

    2 posted on 08/06/2006 11:00:13 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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    "shooting him in the back violated his civil rights, "
    Augh! THIS is like grit in my teeth!! Since when do criminal trespassers from another country have CIVIL RIGHTS? (I'm sorry. I thought "civil rights" were rights we were granted to LEGAL CITIZENS of the United States.) Rats. Wrong again, I guess...


    3 posted on 08/06/2006 11:05:34 AM PDT by redhead (Alaska: Step out of the bus and into the food chain)
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    Why is this administration going after our troops and border security? They are finishing what our enemies don't. I am at a loss....



    4 posted on 08/06/2006 11:05:39 AM PDT by Libertina
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    Words fail me. Maybe someone in government can explain how they are securing the border.

    5 posted on 08/06/2006 11:12:04 AM PDT by patj (Nuke the gay whales)
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    are set to be sentenced Aug. 22 for shooting Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, a Mexican citizen, that was in the USA ILLEGALLY, on Feb. 17, 2005, in the small Texas, not Mexican, town of Fabens
    Good news for Osbaldo, August 22nd is D-Day for the islamonazis to wipe all the infidels off the face of the map.


    6 posted on 08/06/2006 11:12:45 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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    To: NormsRevenge
    IF this happens under a "Republican" administration, my the good Lord help us all if the Dems take control.



    8 posted on 08/06/2006 11:13:14 AM PDT by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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    They're not silly.....they are facilitating the movement of goods and people away from those that think the USA is a sovereign nation.

    9 posted on 08/06/2006 11:14:28 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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    Detroit: Step out of the bus and into the food chain... Unarmed



    10 posted on 08/06/2006 11:14:40 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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    So why do we have armed border agents there for if they can not pursue these people? How are they catching the million or so illegals that the border patrol says they captured (detained) i9f they don´t pursue them?

    I guess the border patrol is just window dressing. Sarc



    11 posted on 08/06/2006 11:15:33 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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    Unbelievable. Words fail me.



    12 posted on 08/06/2006 11:27:00 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (You're never more than a half-step away from a good note.)
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    About the style of writing: Why is it that news stories now read like a book. Whether it's a border patrol agent or an illegal who's being sent back to her own country, we have to have a human interest angle included. I guess I'm hardhearted or something because I'm not moved by the "will miss out on these special family moments" inserts. I am, however, outraged and aghast at the seeming injustice and railroading of these BP agents at the hand of those they risk their lives to protect.

    About the substance of the article: Surely, there is an appeals court in the future of this case. Isn't there?

    13 posted on 08/06/2006 11:28:52 AM PDT by YankeeinOkieville
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    "Why is it that news stories now read like a book...."?
    It's because they are not reports but mostly just stories to support the reporter's journalist's world view.


    14 posted on 08/06/2006 11:40:20 AM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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    I hope the union (National Border Patrol Council) is going to go all out with an appeal for the accused agents. That's what unions are supposed to do.



    15 posted on 08/06/2006 11:41:10 AM PDT by hellbender
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    BORDER PATROL AGENTS SHOULD RESIGN! It's clear the administration doesn't have their backs on this.



    16 posted on 08/06/2006 11:45:19 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (404 Page Error Found)
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    IF this happens under a "Republican" administration, my the good Lord help us all if the Dems take control.
    It is difficult to imagine how it could be any worse.

    Jeez! At least the democrats have labor unions who don't want to see their jobs go to illegals!

    Republican leadership has completely dropped the ball on illegal immigration. In fact, Bush's "shamnesty" has only made it worse --perpetuating a "get it while the gettin's good" attitude among immigrants.

    No wonder they're fleeing Mexico in droves! They think Bush is going to give them amnesty! And the way he talks, who can blame them?


    17 posted on 08/06/2006 11:48:07 AM PDT by Drew68
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    Her arguments, along with testimony from other agents on the scene and that of the smuggler himself, swayed a jury.
    Who sat on this jury? Was the trial even in English?


    18 posted on 08/06/2006 11:49:51 AM PDT by Drew68
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    This makes me so mad. I am at a loss for words.
    Rush, where are you? Hannity, ditto. This calls for a mass uprising against this court.
    Where in the he!! was this trial, Mexico City? Austin? These men put their lives on the line daily to keep this scum out of our country. And this is how we reward them?
    I am going to write to my Senators and Congressman. Lot of good it will do, but I'll try. Both Senators voted to let scumbags like this walk into this country. I have never voted for a Democrat,but if one is vehemently opposed to ILLEGAL immigration, and runs against these two, I will change my ways.
    I mean it. We have a better chance of fighting known enemies of the State than we do with these Benidict Arnold's in office.




    19 posted on 08/06/2006 11:50:02 AM PDT by snowtigger (It ain't what you shoot, it's what you hit...)
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    "Why is this administration going after our troops and border security? They are finishing what our enemies don't. I am at a loss...."

    Yeah. I've wondered the same thing myself.



    20 posted on 08/06/2006 11:50:12 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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    "We" are securing the border so illegals, drug dealers, and shadow enemies and come and go safely at will? /s



    21 posted on 08/06/2006 11:56:56 AM PDT by Libertina
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    Homeland Security investigator Christopher Sanchez received a telephone call from Border Patrol agent Rene Sanchez about Aldrete-Davila's encounter with Ramos and Compean. Rene Sanchez stated "that Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila's mother, Marcadia Aldrete-Davila, contacted Rene Sanchez's mother-in-law, Gregoria Toquinto, and advised her about the BP agents shooting Aldrete-Davila. Toquinto told her son-in-law, Rene Sanchez, of the incident, and he spoke to smuggler Aldrete-Davila via a telephone call."
    During the trial, the connection between Rene Sanchez and Aldrete-Davila confused the Ramos family, and "we questioned how an agent from Arizona would know or want to defend a drug smuggler from Mexico," said Monica Ramos.

    Assistant U.S. Attorney Debra Kanof bristled when asked about the Rene Sanchez/Aldrete-Davila connection. "It's an unconscionable accusation that Sanchez is associated with a drug dealer," she said. "Most BP agents who are Hispanic have family from Mexico."
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    No, corrupt prosecutor woman, it's a fact that this BP agent is related to a drug dealer through marriage. If the last name similarity isn't just a coincidence, so is the Homeland Security investigator. Where does this filthy buck stop?


    22 posted on 08/06/2006 11:57:28 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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    "The Border Patrol pursuit policy prohibits the pursuit of someone."
    So if someone just walks away from a border patrol agent, there is nothing he can do about it, because then he'd be pursuing them, and thats prohibited???


    23 posted on 08/06/2006 12:00:00 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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    HALT! Or I say halt, again.
    I said HALT!

    I'm warning you. Don't make me say HALT again.

    I mean it. If you don't halt right now, I'm going to say halt.

    Thats it. HALT!!!

    Thats it. Now you've made me real mad. I'm calling for backup, where we'll all say halt together.

    No your really in trouble.


    24 posted on 08/06/2006 12:06:00 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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    This is sick.



    25 posted on 08/06/2006 12:06:23 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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    "shooting him in the back violated his civil rights, "
    Do you believe that you can shoot someone in the back if you suspect him of being illegal?


    26 posted on 08/06/2006 12:09:42 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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    Outrageous!



    27 posted on 08/06/2006 12:11:31 PM PDT by KoRn
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    To: Doctor Stochastic
    I believe in shooting fleeing felons.
    L


    28 posted on 08/06/2006 12:13:48 PM PDT by Lurker (islam is NOT a religion. It's a political ideology masquerading as a one.)
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    Well, I wrote the bas@#$%s. Let's see if they even answer. If they do,I will post their answers here.
    I really fear the time for talk is fast coming to a close, what's left after that?



    29 posted on 08/06/2006 12:31:57 PM PDT by snowtigger (It ain't what you shoot, it's what you hit...)
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    To: NormsRevenge
    A Texas jury convicted the pair of assault with serious bodily injury; assault with a deadly weapon; discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence; and a civil rights violation. Compean and Ramos also were convicted of four counts and two counts, respectively, of obstruction of justice for not reporting that their weapons had been fired.
    Defending the border... pursuing drug smugglers... these are "crimes of violence???

    The jury acquitted both men of assault with intent to commit murder. But the conviction for discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence requires a minimum 10-year prison sentence. The sentences for the other convictions vary.

    Unbelievable--they charged them with murder???

    Kanof bristled when asked about the Rene Sanchez/Aldrete-Davila connection. "It's an unconscionable accusation that Sanchez is associated with a drug dealer"...

    No, Ms. Kanof--what is unconsionable is that instead of setting up a sting operation to go after the drug smugglers and those who allegedly wanted to go on a Border Patrol killing spree, you chose to paint this as some sort of intentional murder mission by what appear to be fine officers of the BP.

    ...they broke Border Patrol rules about discharging their weapons and preserving a crime scene.

    So give them the five day suspension.

    The smuggler was given full immunity to testify against the agents and complete medical care at William Beaumont Army Medical Center, in El Paso.

    How many pounds of Marijuana was that again?

    ...immunity granted to Aldrete-Davila and the other agents in exchange for testifying against Ramos and Compean.

    Why did the other agents need immunity? Were they complicit in the drug smuggling? Did they also not follow procedure?


    30 posted on 08/06/2006 12:42:37 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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    Why is this administration going after our troops and border security?
    Probably to suck up to the pacifists in the media and the Democratic Party.

    I don't know the Democrats are trying to control Congress this November. The Republicans are doing a pretty good job of giving them everything they want and telling the people who worked hard to get them there to go F*** themselves.


    31 posted on 08/06/2006 12:45:17 PM PDT by GoBucks2002
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    How can good win out if bad is always protected over good.. this seems to be the pattern with everything in this world anymore.. don't defend yourself from harm or you will harm the harmer.



    32 posted on 08/06/2006 12:55:18 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America and All who protect and preserve this Great Nation.)
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    ping



    33 posted on 08/06/2006 1:00:04 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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    "The administration is trying to intimidate front-line agents from doing their job," he added. "If they can't do it administratively, they'll do it with trumped-up criminal charges.
    George Bush is dedicated to keep the borders open and the illegals flowing. What a piece of work he turned out to be.

    He's hell bent on making certain he ranks lower than Jimmy Carter in the annals of American history.


    34 posted on 08/06/2006 1:02:08 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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    So am I. I tell you something else, I'm sick of seeing our troops and now our border patrol agents being scarificed and left hanging in the wind by our government. Just who in the hell is supposed to be protecting us now?



    35 posted on 08/06/2006 1:11:51 PM PDT by MissEdie
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    I'm at the point of giving up!



    36 posted on 08/06/2006 1:19:23 PM PDT by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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    Time to ship a tractor and a flashlight to guv-mint so they can see their head when they use the tractor to pull it out of their ______!!!



    37 posted on 08/06/2006 1:25:30 PM PDT by Johnny Crab (Government:They're only here to "help" you.)
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    Wow...



    38 posted on 08/06/2006 1:27:32 PM PDT by Jonx6
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    It is a violation of Border Patrol regulations to go after someone who is fleeing" .. "The Border Patrol pursuit policy prohibits the pursuit of someone."

    39 posted on 08/06/2006 1:35:35 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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    Just who in the H____ is Assistant U.S. Attorney Debra Kanof? What rock did she crawl out from under? Have mercy on me 'cause I've got dark thoughts about the future
    of this country.



    40 posted on 08/06/2006 1:42:23 PM PDT by OregonRancher (illigitimus non carborundun)
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    BTTT///



    41 posted on 08/06/2006 2:01:04 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" - Benjamin Rush)
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    Do you believe that you can shoot someone in the back if you suspect him of being illegal?
    Do you believe that a BP has to say halt until they are mowed down for not defending themselves.


    42 posted on 08/06/2006 2:02:42 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" - Benjamin Rush)
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    One question. Did the gov lady prove that the piece of s--t didn't have a gun? If the officers thought he had a gun then they had the right to shoot him in the back. This crime against the agents had better get a full hearing in the appeals court.

    43 posted on 08/06/2006 2:39:22 PM PDT by webboy45
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    Did anyone think of this? Now that the officers have been found guilty of violating the illegals civil rights.....the illegals can sue for damages in court. Remember the guy who lost his ranch?
    These families now stand to lose everything they own as soon as the Southern Poverty Law Center (I think that's correct) gets ahold of this.

    Truly disgusting and outrageous!



    44 posted on 08/06/2006 3:06:08 PM PDT by sheana
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    Pardon me if I'm incredulous -- if this is true, it's outrageous. But why haven't we heard anything about this until now? Are there news stories about this anywhere else? The two agents have already been convicted, and not a word until now...



    45 posted on 08/06/2006 3:06:59 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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    "I've got dark thoughts about the future of this country."

    You and me both, Charlie. I sometimes feel the nation's in "suicide mode" and no one's doing very much about it.



    46 posted on 08/06/2006 3:11:09 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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    "Aldrete-Davila is suing the Border Patrol for $5 million for violating his civil rights."
    Let's see...

    Immunity from a felony prosecution AND 5 million bucks.

    Ain't America great.


    47 posted on 08/06/2006 3:22:10 PM PDT by spectre
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    Well, Maybe it's time for another Alamo, except this
    time we win. If something doesn't happen soon, we're going to cease to exist as a country. Who knows, maybe it would be better if we had a nice quiet revolution to stir the pot a bit. I'm game.



    48 posted on 08/06/2006 3:41:45 PM PDT by OregonRancher (illigitimus non carborundun)
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    The El Paso Times covered it extensively, writing over 20 articles.

    Here is the DOJ's summary of their "success."


    http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_rel ... an.con.pdf

    U.S. Department of Justice
    U.S. Attorney’s Office
    Western District of Texas

    Johnny Sutton, U.S. Attorney
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


    March 8, 2006

    The U.S. Department of Justice's U.S. Attorney's office for the Western District of Texas issued the following press release:

    United States Attorney Johnny Sutton announced that a federal jury in El Paso this afternoon convicted two U.S. Border Patrol agents on charges associated with a February 2005 shooting incident. The jury convicted Ignacio Ramos (a.k.a. "Nacho") and Jose Alonso Compean with assault with serious bodily injury, assault with a deadly weapon, discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence and a civil rights charge. Compean and Ramos were also convicted of four counts and two counts, respectively, of obstruction of justice. The jury acquitted both defendants of assault with intent to commit murder.

    "Everyday the brave men and women of the U.S. Border Patrol put their lives on the line to protect us. We thank them for their sacrifice and trust them with the burden of enforcing the law. Agents Compean and Ramos abused that trust through violence and cover-up. The fact that they are now convicted and will soon be punished for their crimes is a perfect example of why America stands out as a country where no one is above the law," stated United States Attorney Johnny Sutton.

    Evidence presented during the trial revealed that on February 17, 2005, the defendants attempted to apprehend a Mexican National, who was transporting a load of marijuana, while attempting to flee back into Mexico near Fabens, Texas. During the incident, Compean fired approximately 14 rounds from his service pistol; Ramos fired one round from his service pistol striking the victim. Ballistics testing confirmed that the bullet which struck the victim was from Ramos' service weapon. In addition, jurors found that the defendants intentionally failed to report the shooting incident to supervisors, concealed evidence and obstructed the investigation. Finally, jurors convicted Compean of collecting and disposing the spent shell casings expelled from the defendants' firearms in an effort to prevent them from being used in official proceedings.

    U.S. Attorney Sutton commended the Office of Inspector General - Department of Homeland Security as well as the United States Border Patrol for their cooperation and assistance with this investigation.

    Richard L. Skinner, Inspector General for the Department of Homeland Security stated, "The conviction in this case is a positive reflection of the United States Border Patrol's attempt to guard our nation's borders, while maintaining a high degree of integrity and understanding the necessity of strictly adhering to the laws of the United States. It is a tribute to the Border Patrol that they sought the legal process by assisting special agents of the Department of Homeland Security, Office of Inspector General, in bringing to justice two of their own, who independently decided to take the law into their own hands. This verdict reaffirms that no one is above the law."

    Ramos and Compean each face up to life in federal prison. Sentencing is scheduled for 9:00am on June 8, 2006, before United States District Judge Kathleen Cardone. Assistant United States Attorneys Debra P. Kanof and Jose Luis Gonzalez are prosecuting this case on behalf of the government. Contact: Shana Jones, 210/384-7440.




    49 posted on 08/06/2006 4:18:59 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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    Disgusting!



    50 posted on 08/06/2006 4:21:02 PM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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    This BP agent story stinks to high heaven. There is obviously some kind of conspiracy to get these guys "out of the way." Probably because they were catching too many drug smugglers. I think the DA and the Homeland Security guy smell rotten also. Hell, you think they have killed the guy in cold blood the way this has come about! What a sick miscarriage of justice!

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    Is this what Bush and Chertoff mean when they say they will end the practice of "Catch and Release"?
    [b][i][size=117]"Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die. Through love of having children, we are going to take over.â€

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    Well, posylady, that's the most depressing story I've read so far this month.
    It's like hell vomited and the Bush administration appeared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountFloyd
    Well, posylady, that's the most depressing story I've read so far this month.
    I agree. Many talk radio hosts have been having a field day with this case too. Unbelievable isn't it? What is happening to this country? I'm often mad but sometimes I'm downright scared. What the hell is going on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jean
    Quote Originally Posted by CountFloyd
    Well, posylady, that's the most depressing story I've read so far this month.
    I agree. Many talk radio hosts have been having a field day with this case too. Unbelievable isn't it? What is happening to this country? I'm often mad but sometimes I'm downright scared. What the hell is going on?
    Well, jean, if I didn't know better I'd say that our government is selling us down the river.
    It's like hell vomited and the Bush administration appeared.

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