Thread: Feds estimate deportation costs $12,500 per person

Ok so let's deport 'em and see. $12.5k is a bargain, at least that money stays in this country.

Originally Posted by Justthefacts

. . . Then we put them on a bus and they are gone . . .

I want to see them all gone but,
Only people from Mexico and Canada can be deported by bus.
The bus must have armed guards on them to keep them from exscaping or taking over the bus. And a restroom.
The busses I.C.E. use have cages to separate the deportees from the driver and guards.
You have to have places to feed them if they are coming from places far from the border.
It's a long way by bus from the Northeast to Mexico, or from Florida to Canada.

Returned home in 2009

465,205 Mexicans
25,376 Canadians
18,830 Filipinos
15,149 Chinese
4,658 Ukrainians

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-211459.html

From what I remember at least 100,000 of those people voluntarily returned and should not have been counted in that number. Those numbers were the border patrol's.

About 80% don't show up for the deportation hearings. Those that are detained are criminals and cannot be released on their own accord.

Originally Posted by Justthefacts

First we get rid of this idiot court trial garbage

They are either legal or illegal , no gray area

It's not a trial, it's a hearing before the judge.
The purpose is for the judge to decide if they are here legally or illegally.
If you deport someone and find out later that they were actually here legally you get sued.

Immigration Hearings: Evidence, Rules & Rulings

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In the United States, there is a complex set of rules that must be followed during all court cases. These rules are designed to ensure that everyone involved in a case gets a fair hearing, and that there is consistency between cases. Although an immigration removal proceeding may resemble a court case, it is actually an administrative hearing. This means that different standards and rules apply than if it were a court case, but there is still the fundamental goal of ensuring that the proceeding is fair to all parties involved.

Evidence consists of testimony and physical objects that are presented in a case to prove or disprove a point. In the case of immigration removal proceedings, the rules regarding evidence are different from the rules in a judicial case.

To prove your case at an immigration removal hearing, or to disprove the government's case, you'll need to provide evidence that supports your claim to remain in the country.

Rules
One of the most significant differences between a removal proceeding and a judicial case is that removal proceedings don't follow the rules of evidence, which govern how evidence can be used and presented in a case. For example, the rules of evidence forbid the use of hearsay (which is information that's not presented, first hand, to the court), but removal proceedings permit hearsay if it's reliable and credible.

Removal proceedings instead require evidence to be clear, unequivocal and convincing. If questions arise about whether evidence certain is permitted, the immigration judge must determine whether the evidence is reliable and fair.

Immigration removal proceedings do follow these rules regarding evidence:

•The alien can present evidence in his or her defense
•The alien has a right to cross-examine witnesses
•The alien has a right to examine evidence against him or her
•Subpoenas (an order directing someone to appear in a legal proceeding or to produce physical evidence) are permitted if a witness won't cooperate
•Discovery (the structured information-gathering process in a legal action) isn't always permitted, and can be fairly limited if it is allowed

Admissibility of Evidence
During a removal hearing, it is the judge's responsibility to determine which pieces of evidence will be permitted. If the judge decides that certain evidence is unreliable or if there are questions as to whether the evidence is accurate, the judge may decide that the evidence is inadmissible. The judge will ignore inadmissible evidence when making his or her decision in the case.

For example, if the alien has made statements under duress or coercion, then the alien or his lawyer can argue that the statements were made simply to satisfy the person who was asking the questions and should not be admitted into evidence.

Similarly, if official documents are presented as evidence, then the documents usually must be authenticated (that is, an expert must prove that they are genuine) before they can be admitted into evidence.

Rulings
The immigration judge's decision must be based upon evidence presented at the hearing. In other words, the immigration judge must look at the facts that were presented by both sides, then apply the relevant immigration laws to those facts in order to reach a verdict. This ensures that the immigration judge reaches an impartial verdict, and isn't swayed by emotional issues.

Questions for Your Attorney
If you are facing a removal proceeding, it makes sense to hire an attorney to represent you and argue your case before the immigration judge. This is a serious legal hearing, and an immigration attorney will be able to guide you through the process.

Among the questions to consider asking your lawyer:

•Do you have prior experience handing immigration issues?
•Have you previously represented a client in a removal proceeding?
•What types of evidence do you need to help present my case?
•How much do you charge for your services?

http://immigration.lawyers.com/deportat ... lings.html

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

Originally Posted by Justthefacts

. . . Then we put them on a bus and they are gone . . .

I want to see them all gone but,
Only people from Mexico and Canada can be deported by bus.
The bus must have armed guards on them to keep them from exscaping or taking over the bus. And a restroom.
The busses I.C.E. use have cages to separate the deportees from the driver and guards.
You have to have places to feed them if they are coming from places far from the border.
It's a long way by bus from the Northeast to Mexico, or from Florida to Canada.

Returned home in 2009

465,205 Mexicans
25,376 Canadians
18,830 Filipinos
15,149 Chinese
4,658 Ukrainians

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-211459.html

Came back in 2010

465,205 Mexicans
25,376 Canadians
18,830 Filipinos
15,149 Chinese
4,658 Ukrainians
Plus....

JohnDoe2, Do all ILLEGALS exercise "their right" to a hearing even if they are caught crossing our National Borders? Would there be a way to charge the "home countries"; maybe by withholding aid and utilizing the funds to pay the ILLEGALS' bill.

This is an outrageous cost. I believe it can be reduced considerably by streamlining the process. For example, most of the verification of status is done within a day or so. Give that process 72 hours since it's the vital evidence of illegal status if the illegal alien is claiming they are here legally. However, I believe you'll find that 99% of illegal aliens will tell you straight up they're in the country illegally which is why they aren't carrying their immigration papers with them as the law requires. Anylegal immigrant without papers will be on file with the federal government and readily identifiable. And they should be deported and shipped out of here the day after their deportation hearing and issuance of a deportation order.

57% of all illegal aliens are from Mexico. 76% are from Mexico, Central and South America, so I dom't understand this average cost per deportee.

Originally Posted by lccat

JohnDoe2, Do all ILLEGALS exercise "their right" to a hearing even if they are caught crossing our National Borders? Would there be a way to charge the "home countries"; maybe by withholding aid and utilizing the funds to pay the ILLEGALS' bill.

Most Mexicans do not request a hearing, they agree to admit that they are here illegally and voluntarily return home.
They know they will be held in lock-up for months waiting for a hearing. But, they CAN ask for and get a hearing.
People from other countries often request a hearing because they might get asylum.
International law says that no country can deport people to any country except the country of their citizenship unless a country agrees to accept them.
(Canada doesn't want us deporting Mexicans arrested in the northern half of the country to Canada just because it would be cheaper for us.)

Cut off the jobs, welfare and free services and they would leave on their own!!!

All the more reason to prevent IAs from entering the USA in the first place. How much does it cost to stop a person from illegally crossing the border into the USA from Mexico?