Thread: It's a big election for noncitizens, too

It's a big election for noncitizens, too
Roger Hedgecock

Posted: October 25, 2010
1:00 am Eastern

© 2010

You have to show valid picture I.D. in California to rent a movie, cash a check, get on an airplane or get a senior discount at restaurants – but not to vote.

To register to vote in California, all you have to do is fill out a simple form with name and address and affirm, "under penalty of perjury," that you are a citizen of the United States and therefore eligible to vote. No prosecution for perjury on the registration form has been taken in living memory of any Californian.

When voting in California, no identification is required.

All this was in my mind as I walked doo-to-door in a neighborhood in Fullerton, Calif., this weekend advocating Republican challenger Van Tran in the Nov. 2 election in the congressional district currently held by Democrat incumbent Loretta Sanchez.

The Van Tran campaign had prepared, for my use in canvassing the neighborhood, the names and addresses of registered voters in the precinct from the records of the Orange County (California) Registrar of Voters.

At one home, our team was met at the door by a Hispanic man who listened to the message about Van Tran with great interest but then said that he could not vote because he "wasn't a citizen" and added that the other people who lived there (also registered voters on our list) were not citizens, either. The same appeared to be true at other homes in this neighborhood.

It was long rumored that Loretta Sanchez had originally beaten Republican incumbent Bob Dornan in 1996 in this congressional district with the help of illegal alien "voters." A congressional inquiry of this charge could find no evidence of illegal alien voting.

Yet, here I was face-to-face with the reality of registered voters, at least one of whom told us he could not vote in this country because he was not a citizen of this country.

In at least 13 states following the 2008 election, ACORN was prosecuted for voter fraud. A recurring pattern of fraud involved "registering" illegals to vote, checking the box on the voter registration form for "permanent absentee voter" and providing a mailing address which would allow someone else to cast the mail-in ballot without the participation, or even the knowledge of, the illegal alien "voter."

How widespread is this fraud? I don't know. All I know is we walked a neighborhood selected at random, talked to the few people who happened to be home at the time and who were identified as voters on the official voter rolls of Orange County, Calif., at least one of whom admitted he was not a citizen.

The voting process is quite different in Mexico.

To vote in Mexico, you must prove you are a citizen of Mexico by producing a birth certificate to obtain a voter identification card. This card carries your photo and fingerprint and must be produced at the time of voting where your fingerprint will be taken and matched with the print on the card before you are allowed to vote. The voter I.D. card must be renewed by the Mexican voter every few years to verify the integrity of the voting rolls.

Mexican law requires these safeguards to ensure that only Mexicans vote in Mexican elections. The Mexican government that passed these Mexican laws is the same Mexican government that protests any federal or state law or proposed law in the U.S. which would verify the eligibility of a "voter" to vote in U.S. elections. Requiring I.D. to vote in California is somehow a "violation of basic civil rights."

The way I see it, gaming the system to allow illegal aliens to vote (or have someone else vote for them) is a violation of the basic civil rights of U.S. citizens and compromises the integrity of our vote.

Since imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I suggest that the Congress adopt the Mexican law for voting and congratulate the Mexican government for showing the world a model for the integrity of the democratic process.

There is another threat to the integrity of our vote – from legal immigrants.

Citizens of Portland, Maine, will vote on Nov. 2 on the question of whether or not to allow legal residents (student visas, refugees, etc.) who are not citizens to vote in local elections.

Proponents argue that legal residents have a stake in the community. They pay local sales and property taxes, own businesses, participate in local charities and therefore should also have a voice in selecting local officials and deciding city ballot measures.

Opponents argue that legal residents who desire to vote can become citizens. Noncitizen voting dilutes the importance of citizenship.

The movement to enfranchise noncitizens has sprouted around the country. Legal residents who are parents or guardians of students in the Chicago public school system can vote in school board elections. The same right would be granted if voters approve a ballot measure in San Francisco.

Several small towns in Maryland allow legal resident voting, and several more in Massachusetts are awaiting state legislative approval to do the same.

Under current federal law, to become a citizen with the right to vote, a noncitizen must be a legal resident for five years, pass a test of English proficiency, demonstrate knowledge of U.S. history and government and swear allegiance to the United States of America.

Millions of legal immigrants serious about wanting to become Americans have followed these rules, become citizens and are full participants in the American self-governing process. I say, welcome to America.

Apparently, other immigrants, legal and illegal, can't be bothered with the legal process. They demand the power of voting without the oath of allegiance or the ability to demonstrate any knowledge of the American democratic process.

I say follow the rules. Commit to becoming an American citizen. Then you can vote.

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It's the same in Maryland. No ID can be used. We are in trouble folks.

This can not be allowed to happen. Having illegal foreigners in our country illegally and voting! That is just so very wrong.

With over 30 MILLION illegal aliens residing within the United States, they have more than enough strength in numbers to head back to Mexico and overthrow that corrupt government down there! We might as well arm them and send them over.

After they depose the racist, aristocratic filth who rule Mexico, they need to rewrite their constitution extensively. Enumerate a right to bear arms. Clip the powers of Mexico City. Abolish corporate personhood.

Originally Posted by ReddHeretic

With over 30 MILLION illegal aliens residing within the United States, they have more than enough strength in numbers to head back to Mexico and overthrow that corrupt government down there! We might as well arm them and send them over.

After they depose the racist, aristocratic filth who rule Mexico, they need to rewrite their constitution extensively. Enumerate a right to bear arms. Clip the powers of Mexico City. Abolish corporate personhood.

They are more interested in taking over our country then ever going back and fixing theirs

Well guess what
Sooner or later we will not be around to keep paying for all the freebies that
these invaders are leeching from this country.

Originally Posted by Justthefacts

Originally Posted by ReddHeretic

With over 30 MILLION illegal aliens residing within the United States, they have more than enough strength in numbers to head back to Mexico and overthrow that corrupt government down there! We might as well arm them and send them over.

After they depose the racist, aristocratic filth who rule Mexico, they need to rewrite their constitution extensively. Enumerate a right to bear arms. Clip the powers of Mexico City. Abolish corporate personhood.

They are more interested in taking over our country then ever going back and fixing theirs

Well guess what
Sooner or later we will not be around to keep paying for all the freebies that
these invaders are leeching from this country.

Ditto...they are not interested in changing mexico, their interested in changing OURS!

Obviously, I know the Mexican invaders have no interest in the improvement of their own nation. I was being sarcastic.

The nationalistic, separatist, anti-American attitudes of this particular group of illegal aliens and of Mexican immigrants in general should be a central point in any "debate" over illegal immigration. I've seen it all my life. When my family would take me to festivals and parades in New York celebrating the independence of Colombia, you'd see a lot of American flags and pro-America sentiment in the crowds. They've always appreciated being able to live and prosper here.

Similar parades and festivals celebrating Mexico displayed the opposite: "Mexico is #1!" "Down with the gringos!" "Yes we can!" "Resettle the stolen lands!"

I thought about this again recently. I'm not a fan of UFC (Ultimate Fighting Championships), but I had been following the promotional hype of the Brock Lesnar versus Cain Velasquez title bout. The ads went on and on about the possibility of UFC having its "first Mexican heavyweight champion." Mexican immigrants, Americans of Mexican descent, and illegal aliens really got behind this Velasquez guy and were absolutely ecstatic when he won.

Mind you, Cain Velasquez is a naturally born citizen of the United States and, to my knowledge, holds no dual citizenship with Mexico. On top of that, his father was an illegal alien who had been deported six times. After his seventh illegal entry, he married a U.S. citizen and was able to stay.

We Americans want to settle this peacefully, but sometimes it feels like another Mexican/American war is inevitable at some point. Let's hope it never comes to that.

Folks, it won't matter who gets elected unless we find someone who is willing to do what is necessary to secure the country from this illegal invasion. Unfortunately, when these people get elected, suddenly they turn into "open borders" advocates. I don't know if the correct thing is too hard for them to do or if they're bought out. Let's keep an eye on this next bunch that go into office and see if it's any better! I know things won't be ideal until we get the muslim out of the White House but we can start now with this new bunch of Senators and Reps.