Thread: Immigration issues resurface on some state ballots

Sep 3, 4:23 PM EDT

Immigration issues resurface on some state ballots

By JULIA SILVERMAN
Associated Press Writer

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- In a high school classroom, Xavier Chavez is trying to teach a group of restless teenagers about Manifest Destiny - the 19th century belief that the United States was divinely fated to stretch from sea to shining sea.

But these students are children of immigrants, and they first have to learn English. They might soon have to learn it faster if Oregon voters approve a ballot measure in November to limit the amount of time students can spend in English-as-a-second-language classes.

The proposal, modeled after similar laws in California, Arizona and Massachusetts, is one of a handful of immigration-related ballot measures that will appear this fall on state and local ballots across the nation.

"We call it the battle of the states," said William Gheen, president of the North Carolina-based group Americans for Legal Immigration. "More people have tried to get something like this on the ballot this year than ever before."

A year ago, groups that wanted to crack down on illegal immigration had hoped to push the topic front-and-center in the presidential campaign.

But the once-explosive issue has simmered down nationally, particularly since both major presidential candidates have endorsed a "path to citizenship" for the country's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants.

Now the immigration battles in November will be fought on ballots in Oregon, Missouri and California.

There are 64,000 non-English speakers enrolled in Oregon's public schools, the vast majority of whom are Spanish speakers. The proposal would limit high school students to two years of ESL classes, even less for younger students.

Chavez and his fellow teachers acknowledge that most of their students pick up colloquial English within two years, giving them enough fluency to poke fun at a teammate, answer a text message or order a slice of pizza.

Faculty members worry instead about academic English - the skills that will let students succeed in advanced classes, whether they are deconstructing Beowulf or reciting the principles of photosynthesis.

The Oregon initiative is "just a diversion to the real problems," Chavez said. "We are not looking at what English language learners need. We are just looking to take away. Let's talk about the quality of instruction."

Chavez's students have mixed feelings about the proposal, partly depending on future goals.

Carlos Perez, 17, took Chavez's summer history course to catch up after oversleeping and often missing his first-period class during the school year. He thought limiting ESL to just two years would be no problem for him or his friends.

But Beatriz Munoz, 16, who said she wants to be a doctor or a lawyer, sharply disagreed.

"For me, it is not enough, just two years," said Munoz, who is transferring to a private Catholic school in Portland with a strong academic reputation. "I am worried, what if I don't understand? I have to go to college."

Long-term studies have shown that full mastery of academic English takes five to seven years, said Dr. Jim Cummins, a professor at the University of Toronto who specializes in second language acquisition and literacy development.

Cummins said non-English speakers are trying to catch up to a moving target as their English-speaking classmates also improve. And complex academic language isn't something students can pick up on the streets, he said, because it's generally used only in classrooms or textbooks.

But Bill Sizemore, sponsor of the Oregon measure and a longtime anti-tax activist who was the GOP's gubernatorial nominee in 1998, said the measure was intended to help immigrants, not sideline them.

He said schools warehouse their students in ESL courses for longer than necessary to keep federal and state money flowing. If Oregonians approve the change, students will join the mainstream faster with the tools they need to compete, he said.

Voters in Arizona approved a similar measure in 2000. Since then, there's been no reduction in the dropout rate, and no evidence that ESL students are doing any better on standardized tests, said Beth Witt, who is involved in Arizona's ESL organization.

In Missouri, voters will decide whether to make English the only language of state government. Passage of the measure would affect ballots, drivers' license exams and other documents. Similar law are already in place in 30 other states.

In California, immigrant-related language is tucked into a broad-ranging crime-measure, Proposition 6, that would eliminate bail for illegal immigrants charged with violent or gang-related felonies, and require sheriffs to inform federal immigration officials when illegal immigrants are arrested.

But in another sign that the potency of the immigration issue might be waning, efforts to place anti-immigrant measures on the ballot fizzled in Arkansas and Oklahoma. A few states, including Florida, even have pro-immigrant measures on the ballot.

Gheen, the anti-illegal-immigration activist, said that once illegal immigration crackdowns make the ballot, they tend to pass. But in order to get onto the ballot, they need a benefactor who can bankroll costly signature-gathering efforts.

The Oregon initiative did have a benefactor, a wealthy medical equipment manufacturer named Loren Parks. She lives in Nevada and has poured millions of dollars into putting conservative-leaning measures onto the Oregon ballot.

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He said schools warehouse their students in ESL courses for longer than necessary to keep federal and state money flowing. If Oregonians approve the change, students will join the mainstream faster with the tools they need to compete, he said.

This doesn't seem to address illegal immigration, just fraud?

In Missouri, voters will decide whether to make English the only language of state government. Passage of the measure would affect ballots, drivers' license exams and other documents. Similar law are already in place in 30 other states.

NOW this makes sense and will divert many illegals from that state.

In California, immigrant-related language is tucked into a broad-ranging crime-measure, Proposition 6, that would eliminate bail for illegal immigrants charged with violent or gang-related felonies, and require sheriffs to inform federal immigration officials when illegal immigrants are arrested.

It's stupid that this isn't the way it is anyway..

From USA TODAY

Immigration resurfaces on some state ballots

Ore. voters could approve a ballot measure in November to limit the amount of time students spend in English-as-a-second-language classes . . .

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... ures_N.htm

Oregonians For immigration Reform
http://www.oregonir.org/

64,000 non-English speakers times the 2003 cost of $8,646 per student ='s 553.3 million dollars

In 2003, Oregon spent an average of $8,646 per K-12 student

In California, immigrant-related language is tucked into a broad-ranging crime-measure, Proposition 6, that would eliminate bail for illegal immigrants charged with violent or gang-related felonies, and require sheriffs to inform federal immigration officials when illegal immigrants are arrested.

It's absolutely insane that we would require a ballot measure for this to happen in the first place. This measure will overwhelmingly pass and then will be challenged in court, whereby the 9th circuit (who's never met an illegal they didn't love) will rule the measure to be unconstitutional and block it from ever being implemented into law.

I guess I should celebrate the fact there are still those who care enough to get these measures out in front of the people...