Thread: G.O.P. Candidates Confront Immigration Politics

March 20, 2007
G.O.P. Candidates Confront Immigration Politics
By ADAM NAGOURNEY

DES MOINES, March 17 — Immigration, an issue that has divided Republicans in Washington, is reverberating across the party’s presidential campaign field, causing particular complications for Senator John McCain of Arizona.

The topic came up repeatedly in recent campaign swings through Iowa by Mr. McCain and Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas, another Republican who, like Mr. McCain, supports giving some illegal immigrants a path to citizenship, a position that puts them at odds with many other conservatives. Both candidates faced intensive questioning from voters on the issue, which has become more prominent in the state as immigrants are playing a larger and increasingly visible role in the economy and society.

“Immigration is probably a more powerful issue here than almost anyplace that I’ve been,” Mr. McCain said after a stop in Cedar Falls.

As he left Iowa, Mr. McCain said he was reconsidering his views on how the immigration law might be changed. He said he was open to legislation that would require people who came to the United States illegally to return home before applying for citizenship, a measure proposed by Representative Mike Pence, Republican of Indiana. Mr. McCain has previously favored legislation that would allow most illegal immigrants to become citizens without leaving the country.

Beyond whatever influence it has as the state whose caucuses kick off the presidential nominating contest, Iowa has become something of a laboratory for the politics of immigration. Not only is it a place where industries like meatpacking rely heavily on immigrant workers and where a once relatively homogenous population is confronting an influx of Hispanic residents, but the presidential candidates who are criss-crossing the state are also providing forums for Iowans to express their views and influence national policy.

On Saturday morning in Des Moines, Mr. Brownback stood for 30 minutes at a breakfast with Republicans as question after question — without exception — was directed at an immigration system that Iowans denounced as failing. “These people are stealing from us,” said Larry Smith, a factory owner from Truro and a member of the central committee of the state Republican Party.

Finally, Mr. Brownback, with a slight smile, inquired, “Any other topics that people want to talk about?”

“What are you going to do with illegal immigrants who come here and become criminals?” demanded Jodi Wohlenhaus, a Republican homemaker who lives outside Des Moines.

The debate on the campaign trail is both reflecting and feeding the politics of the issue in Washington. President Bush and the two parties in Congress have been engaged in a three-way negotiation that has pitted demands from many conservatives to concentrate first on improving border security against Mr. Bush’s call, backed by many Democrats, for a guest worker program that could include a right for some illegal workers to eventually get legal status.

The issue has become much more complicated as the presidential campaign has gotten under way, exposing the Republicans in particular to voters who are angry about what they see as porous borders, growing demands from immigrants on the social welfare and education systems and job losses that they link at least in part to a low-wage labor force coming over the border.

Mr. McCain, for example, appeared to distance himself from Senator Edward M. Kennedy, the Massachusetts Democrat with whom he formed an alliance last year on an immigration bill that stalled in Congress.

“What I’ve tried to point out is we couldn’t pass the legislation,” Mr. McCain said. “So we have to change the legislation so it can pass. And I’ve been working with Senator Kennedy, but we’ve also been working with additional senators, additional House members.”

Mr. McCain focused instead on the proposal by Mr. Pence, a conservative. “Pence has this touchback proposal,” Mr. McCain said at a news conference. “I said hey, let’s consider that if that’s a way we can get some stuff.”

Mr. McCain’s aides said his identification with Mr. Kennedy accounted for much of his political problem on the issue with conservatives. One of his rivals for the nomination, former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, has taken to attacking what he calls the McCain-Kennedy bill.

Mr. McCain has found himself particularly identified with this battle in no small part because he is from a border state that is deeply divided over immigration. The issue is not likely to recede, regardless of the outcome of the debate in Washington: The Republican field of presidential candidates includes Representative Tom Tancredo, a Colorado Republican who has based his campaign on an anti-immigration message and who will almost certainly participate in Republican presidential debates starting this spring.

In a speech to conservatives in Washington two weeks ago, Mr. Romney said: “The current system is a virtual concrete wall against those who have skill and education, but it’s a wide open walk across the border for those that have neither. And McCain-Kennedy isn’t the answer.”

Mr. Romney did not always take that position. He was quoted in The Boston Globe in November 2005 describing Mr. McCain’s immigration initiatives as “reasonable proposals,” though he stopped short of endorsing them, the newspaper said.

A third major Republican contender, Rudolph W. Giuliani, former mayor of New York, has supported measures similar to the one Mr. McCain is pressing. Mr. Giuliani has yet to campaign in Iowa and has not been pressed on his views on immigration; he is scheduled to spend a week in Iowa at the beginning of April.

Mr. McCain’s aides said they were confident that he could overcome concerns among Iowa voters if he pointed to the enforcement mechanisms he supports, arguing that only about one-third of Republican primary voters have strong-line views on immigration. “How are we dealing with it?” said John Weaver, a senior adviser to Mr. McCain. “We’re facing it head-on. John’s position — and the president’s position — is widely supported by a vast majority of primary and caucus voters.”

Republicans have a tougher view than the general population on whether illegal immigrants should be deported, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll conducted this month. In that poll, 49 percent of Republican respondents said illegal immigrants who had lived in the United States for at least two years should be given a chance to keep their jobs and eventually apply for citizenship; 45 percent said they should be deported immediately. By contrast, among the general electorate, 59 percent said they should be allowed to apply for legal status, compared with 36 percent who said they should be deported.

The poll found that 31 percent of Republicans said immigration into the United States should be kept at its current level, 14 percent said it should be increased and a majority, 51 percent, said immigration should be decreased. Those figures were similar to the finding among the general population.

Other Republicans said they thought Mr. McCain’s identification with the push for easing immigration laws could prove to be among his greatest vulnerabilities. “Senator McCain will be hurt badly if he continues to support a bill like last time,” said Senator Jeff Sessions, Republican of Alabama. “I think he’ll have a hard time defending that piece of legislation. I think it would be important for him to demonstrate that his position on immigration is not defined by the bill that he introduced last time.”

Nowhere does that appear to be more the case than here, a state crucial to Mr. McCain’s hopes of winning his party’s nomination. A front-page article in The Des Moines Register after the first day of Mr. McCain’s bus trip here focused on his defending his efforts on changing immigration laws.

Mr. Smith, the Republican Party central committee member, said Mr. McCain’s views on immigration had eliminated him as a contender in the view of many state Republicans.

“I have a hard time appreciating McCain’s position at all on this issue,” Mr. Smith said. “I feel he’s been extremely weak.”

“When I go county to county visiting 29 counties in my area, I believe almost without exception that immigration is that issue that puts fire in their eyes,” he said. “They just really are livid that we have allowed this to happen to the point it has.”

Mr. Brownback was reminded of that throughout the day on Saturday, including during his march in the St. Patrick’s Day Parade up Locust Avenue in Des Moines. “We need to build a fence,” Mike Clark, 38, a pig farmer, told Mr. Brownback as he walked alongside him. “We need to get them stopped.”

Mr. McCain’s suggestion that he might be open to Mr. Pence’s legislation requiring most workers to return home risks alienating business, a powerful constituency in the Republican Party.

“The business community has always been skeptical about any requirement to make workers leave the U.S. to obtain legal status,” said Laura Reiff, of the Essential Worker Immigration Coalition, which represents service industries. “We haven’t ruled a Pence-like touchback completely out of the question, but it would need to be an efficient, functional process.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/20/us/po ... ref=slogin

With the exception of a few areas of California, the areas around Portland already consumed by illegals and at ACLU and La Raza headquarters, most of the rest of the country feels the same way as Iowa.

I'm amazed out how truly out of touch these so-called leaders are on illegal invasion issues. These guys are either dumb as a stump or so blinded by the lobbyists, that they can't see reality. Brownback is such an idiot, instead of listening he changed the subject.

The dems are really going to be shocked when they find out that this issue transcends party lines.

“We’re facing it head-on. John’s position — and the president’s position — is widely supported by a vast majority of primary and caucus voters.”

Uh, John take a look at poll numbers, even the ones in this article. Hello, does the elevator not go all the way to the top anymore???

“I said hey, let’s consider that if that’s a way we can get some stuff.”

by that he means "if i can get some of these illegal workers over here... then ill get more later"

pathetic. DO NOT FALL IOWA. Take it from a Kansas native, Brownback is brownbag full of lies and well... brown stuff.

And McCain? something musta hit him on the head in that POW camp, i respect the man for what he went through for our country.. but i think he's starting to forget what he was fighting for.

Originally Posted by jean

“Immigration is probably a more powerful issue here than almost anyplace that I’ve been,” Mr. McCain said after a stop in Cedar Falls.

Obviously Iowa is the only place McCain has gone the last couple of years. As for what hit his head, it was the canopy when he ejected from his jet over Hanoi. Just like now he could only focus on one thing at a time, and thus didn't see the SAM coming up that hit his plane. The good pilots would see them coming up and take evasive action. McCain didn't. Plus before this he lost three other planes in accidents!

“Immigration is probably a more powerful issue here than almost anyplace that I’ve been,” Mr. McCain said after a stop in Cedar Falls.

Uhhhhhhhhh, hey MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE
Ever hear of a state called...........ARIZONA?
Liar!! Always a LIAR

As he left Iowa, Mr. McCain said he was reconsidering his views on how the immigration law might be changed. He said he was open to legislation that would require people who came to the United States illegally to return home before applying for citizenship, a measure proposed by Representative Mike Pence, Republican of Indiana. Mr. McCain has previously favored legislation that would allow most illegal immigrants to become citizens without leaving the country.

TOUCH-BACK -- ELLIS ISLANDS -- AMNESTY BY ANY OTHER NAME!!

Dear UN-HONORABLE senator mccain,

You just don't seem to get it yet do you?
Let me be as plain as I can be. I will use small words in lamens terms so that your pea sized intellect can comprehend this.

WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT AMNESTY. WE WANT THE LAWS ENFORCED AND ALL CRMINAL ALIENS DEPORTED. WE WANT EMPLOYERS WHO HIRE ILLEGALS TO BE HEAVILY FINED AND JAILED. WE WANT OUR BORDERS SECURE AND OUR ONCE GREAT NATION TO BE GREAT AGAIN FOR AMERICANS, NOT ILLEGALS!
ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL. WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THIS???

Please stop trying to sell your big pile of BS to the people! We are not buying your snake oil anymore!!!
Pence's plan is just as much of a mistake as yours and that drunken loser kennedy's plan SO GIVE IT UP!

Originally Posted by Bowman

Originally Posted by jean

“Immigration is probably a more powerful issue here than almost anyplace that I’ve been,” Mr. McCain said after a stop in Cedar Falls.

Obviously Iowa is the only place McCain has gone the last couple of years. As for what hit his head, it was the canopy when he ejected from his jet over Hanoi. Just like now he could only focus on one thing at a time, and thus didn't see the SAM coming up that hit his plane. The good pilots would see them coming up and take evasive action. McCain didn't. Plus before this he lost three other planes in accidents!

Sounds to me like he did not get enough flying lessons!! They must have been hurting for pilots huh!!!

Sippy wrote:

WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT AMNESTY. WE WANT THE LAWS ENFORCED AND ALL CRMINAL ALIENS DEPORTED. WE WANT EMPLOYERS WHO HIRE ILLEGALS TO BE HEAVILY FINED AND JAILED. WE WANT OUR BORDERS SECURE AND OUR ONCE GREAT NATION TO BE GREAT AGAIN FOR AMERICANS, NOT ILLEGALS!
ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL. WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THIS???

It really is just that simple, but noooo Congress has to write new laws!

And Sippy, please do not forget the anchor babies; they must follow their parents.

No family oriented people, like the Mexicans, should NEVER leave their children behind.