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    GA Rep Kasey Carpenter vs FL Gov. Ron DeSantis on granting lower public college tuiti

    GA Rep Kasey Carpenter vs FL Gov. Ron DeSantis on granting lower public college tuition to illegal aliens than Americans #BrianKemp

    FEBRUARY 26, 2023 BY D.A. KING

    Rep. Kasey Carpenter (R-Dalton) HB 131 sponsor.

    With a reminder about Georgia Gov. Brain Kemp’s silence on illegal immigration in Georgia
    Carpenter’s legislation (HB 131) creates a new tier of tuition for illegal aliens with Obama’s illegal DACA status. It would be instate tuition plus 10%. Carpenter is calling it “Opportunity Tuition” and the illegal aliens students who benefit would be known as “Opportunity Students.” Americans attending public colleges from outside Georgia would not have the opportunity to access the new tuition tier and are required to pay the out-of-state rate.

    If put into law by the General Assembly and Gov. Brian Kemp, illegal aliens in Georgia would pay about $7000.00 per semester less than Americans and legal immigrants who come from other state states to attend full time classes at Kennesaw State University. Similar gaps would apply in all other public colleges where illegal aliens are admitted.

    It is interesting to note that Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is pushing to scrap state law there that grants instate tuition to illegal aliens in a move to make his state less attractive to illegal immigration and to restore fairness.

    Florida Gov. DeSantis quoted in the Washington Examiner:

    “If we want to hold the line on tuition, then you have got to say, ‘You need to be a U.S. citizen living in Florida,’” DeSantis said. “Why would we subsidize a non-U.S. citizen when we want to make sure we can keep it affordable for our own people?”

    Readers may remember that Georgia Gov. Brain Kemp ran on a tough on illegal immigration platform in 2018, then went silent on the issue in his state after the (primary) election that year. While Georgia does not enforce numerous state laws put in place to fight illegal immigration, it is rare to see the topic mentioned by legislators unless the illegals are painted as victims or valedictorians. Kemp does not enforce the two “anti-sanctuary city” laws now in place here. One of those laws went through the Senate Public Safety Committee in 2006 that Kemp chaired and he voted for final passage on the senate floor. Kemp called illegal immigration in Georgia “a burning issue” at the time.

    Here in Georgia, Carpenter seemed angered at testimony against his legislation in committee citing the special treatment of illegals as “un-American” and calling opposition remarks “straw arguments” that were “untrue.” while telling all concerned that Americans can access lower rates if they move to Georgia and wait twelve months.

    From the initial hearing on Carpenter’s HB 131, Feb. 22, 2023.

    Rep. Kasey Carpenter:

    “Thank you, Chairman. Thank you, committee. Sorry I had to bounce out, I’m presenting another bill downstairs in a different category. Um… but I would just follow you up by listening to all that we’ve heard today… there is not a single US citizen that is planning to go to college that can’t move to Georgia and in 12 months pay in-state tuition. If they establish residency in the state of Georgia for 12 months, they can pay in-state tuition. In-state tuition.

    What this bill says is that if you’ve been in the state of Georgia since 2013, you can pay an opportunity rate for these certain individuals. So, uh, we are not giving something that any US citizen couldn’t come to Georgia and in 12 months get. Even a better rate.

    So the straw argument that has been on display here today is completely untrue. You read it in the paper, you get a email, I bet you got six emails in your account right now that says, “I can’t believe you’re doing it.” And I’m telling you, that’s not what this bill does. That argument does not hold water. This simply says, if you’ve been a DACA recipient since 2013, not that you’ve moved to Georgia, that you literally have been here since you’ve got your DACA, uh, which happened in 2012, 2013, if you’ve been here the whole time, if we’ve educated you, if Georgia’s all you know, then you get a chance to pay an opportunity rate in the state of Georgia.”

    Video here.
    Transcript here.

    Last edited by Beezer; 03-03-2023 at 12:12 PM.


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    Aiding and abetting ILEGAL ALIENS is against the law. These people should be prosecuted for this.

    Illegal aliens should NOT be on our soil. Should not be in any of our schools. Should not be in our housing or in our healthcare system.

    Stop rewarding and start deporting.



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    HB 131: Considering the costs to Americans – an initial look and a list of sponsors “Opportunity Tuition” for “Opportunity Students”

    FEBRUARY 3, 2023 BY D.A. KING

    It’s an “Americans last” bill but is pushed by the Georgia Chamber of Commerce, so it can pass if you let it. Stacey Abrams wants it too.


    HB131 (LC 49 1187) would create a new tuition rate for Georgia’s public colleges and Technical Schools. The bill’s sponsor, Rep Kasey Carpenter is calling it “Opportunity Tuition” and it is intended for illegal aliens – who are DACA recipients who would be known as “Opportunity Students.” DACA recipients are still illegal aliens.

    Dalton Rep Kasey Carpenter. Photo: Ga House.

    • Passage of HB 131 as is would allow illegal aliens to attend Georgia’s public colleges and Tech Schools at a much lower rate that U.S. citizens and legal immigrants who live in other states.

    I took some time top gather figures on tuition using information from KSU.

    From the Kennesaw State University website:

    “Full Time Course Load – For undergraduate students, twelve (12) semester hours is a full-time load in determining such things as veteran status, financial aid, and insurance eligibility. However, the usual load for a full-time undergraduate student is at least 15 semester credit hours in both fall and spring semesters.”

    KSU 2022-2023

    Fall 2022, Spring 2023 and Summer 2023
    Undergraduate students per semester – costs for tuition and fees

    Instate tuition rate: cost of full time course load (12 credit hours) – $2892.80

    Out of state rate: cost of full-time course load (12 credit hours) – $8519.96

    Difference in cost to students (per semester) between instate & out of state rate: $5627.16

    Difference in a typical 15 hour course load (per semester): $ 7034.00

    Total difference in instate and out of state tuition rates if a student attends KSU for Spring, Summer and Fall semesters with 15 hours: $21,102.00


    According to proposed changes in state law set out in HB131, (LC 49 1187) a new “Opportunity Tuition” (see lines 98 & 99) rate would allow some illegal aliens (“Opportunity Students”) in Georgia to pay no less than 1% and no more than 10 % of the instate rate.

    Example (at 1%): An illegal alien in Georgia could pay $10,706.00 for a year at KSU (15 hour course load) while an American citizen and/or a legal immigrant from another state pays $31,449.00 for the same education over one year.

    An annual difference of $20, 743.00.


    HB 131 sponsors (as per House clerk’s office at 9:15 AM Feb 2, 2023 Re:”Taj”) * Updated Feb 10, after a trip to the Clerk’s office

    Rep Kasey Carpenter – Dalton, Republican

    Rep Dale Washburn – Macon, Republican

    Rep Bill Werkheiser – Glennville, Republican

    Rep Penny Houston – Nashville, Republican

    Rep Long Tran – Dunwoody, Democrat

    Rep Solomon Adesanya – Marietta, Democrat

    Rep Kim Schofield – Atlanta, Democrat

    Rep Farooq Mughal – Dacula, Democrat

    Rep Pedro Marin – Duluth, Democrat

    *Rep Stacey Evans – Atlanta, Democrat

    *Rep Sandra Scott – Rex, Democrat



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    Get the names out to the people of Georgia and VOTE these traitors out of office.

    DACA needs to be deported with their illegal parents and their offspring!


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    Private school tuition: A new state benefit for illegal aliens in GA? #SchoolChoice

    JANUARY 24, 2023 BY D.A. KING

    “It is testament to the tenacity, funding and power of the school choice advocates that including illegals in a proposed new state benefit program is even being discussed.”

    A battle is coming between the Georgia Republicans who are pushing “school choice” at any cost and pro-enforcement conservatives who refuse to reward and encourage more illegal immigration into Georgia. Expanding benefits for illegal aliens does exactly that. The lobbying money is on the “include the illegals” side. All too often, the truth isn’t.

    Despite what Georgians may be told, the 1982 Plyer V Doe Supreme Court decision only requires states to provide public school tuition to K-12 students regardless of immigration status.

    A word of experienced advice to readers who may favor “putting parents in charge of education…” but take the pro-enforcement view of the debate: You can save yourself a lot of attacks as being “anti-school choice” if you make clear your opposition to rewarding illegal immigration early in any discussion on the topic.

    We don’t allow illegal aliens to access the Hope Scholarship, the Zell Miller Scholarship, or instate tuition in our taxpayer-funded public colleges. Why do some Republicans want to welcome illegal alien families with discretionary, taxpayer-funded K-12 private school benefits? It is testament to the tenacity, funding and power of the school choice advocates that including illegals in a proposed new state benefit program is even being discussed.

    This writer attended a seminar on school choice last fall in Marietta and got the “whole enchilada” presentation and was surprised to see several well-known Georgia Republicans -including former U.S.

    Senator Kelly Loeffler – featured as presenters. I still don’t know the answer to the above question. But I can report that the ongoing illegal immigration catastrophe was completely avoided in the program and there was no Q&A session. I did hear it said that “we are all Americans.”

    • Related: School choice legislation is likely from Georgia lawmakers this session

    We are not aware of any position the new leadership under the Gold Dome has taken on delivering state funds to illegal alien families for use as K-12 tuition payments to private schools. A great deal of time and trouble could be saved if Georgians could get a signal on this from the new Speaker or the new Lt. Governor – or Gov. Kemp.

    Influential national radio show host Erick Erickson predicted a win for commonsense: “I’m fairly certain the Republicans aren’t going to fund illegal aliens going to private school…” was part of the response from Erickson last year to an on-air alert from this writer about the absence of language to exclude illegals in then-pending state legislation.

    Soon after that public forecast from Erickson, there were various versions of poorly written and unworkable language purporting to exclude illegal aliens from the proposed “school choice” legislation offered in three separate bills in 2021-2022 General Assembly. So, it’s clear that most members of both chambers are aware of the concern.

    Readers who have not heard one of the school choice sales programs for what is also known as “educational freedom” and “fund students, not systems” may want to consider attending an Americans for Prosperity event on the matter this evening in Alpharetta. It looks like presenters will include lobbyist and former GOP state Rep Buzz Brockway and Forsyth County school board member Mike Valdes.

    If you go: I’ll wash your car if you let us know if there is any mention of illegal immigration or that according to the U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security, there are only six states with a higher illegal population than Georgia.

    One online advertisement for the AFP event includes a reminder of a January proclamation of “School Choice Week” (Jan 22-2 from Gov. Kemp. The proclamation does not say if the governor would sign a bill that provides state funds for future “undocumented workers” to pay K-12 private school tuition.
    Neither does it say if a law that excluded illegal aliens from any state-funded school choice benefit would be enforced. Many state laws aimed at illegal immigration aren’t.

    • A version of this essay ran posted on the subscription website Insider Advantage, January 24, 2023.

    D.A. King is proprietor of and president of the Dustin Inman Society.



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    1982 Plyer V Doe should be taken BACK to the Supreme Court like Roe vs. Wade!

    Send this issue back to the states like abortion issue.

    It is not in our Constitution to PROVIDE free education to criminal trespassing foreign citizens who do not belong in our country, no matter their age!

    $15,000 per year, per illegal alien in Grades K-12, our taxpayer money funding criminal trespassers.

    Four kids = $60,000 per year of OUR tax money funding ONE illegal alien family.

    There are millions that need to be removed from our schools and our country. They are overcrowding our schools and bankrupting our budgets!

    Our tax dollars that should be used for teachers raises and renovating our schools for our children who are here legally.

    We should NOT be providing taxpayer funded education to ANY illegal alien!

    Get them out of our schools and deport them with their illegal alien parents! They cannot leave their kids here like a box of unwanted puppies. Out they go!

    Let their president provide their education at his expense!
    Last edited by Beezer; 03-03-2023 at 12:42 PM.


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