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    GALEN HOLLEY: Christianity has much to say about immigration




    GALEN HOLLEY:Christianity has much to say about immigration policy
    12/29/2007
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    I was talking recently with a friend in another state about her work in Hispanic ministry. She said that often either she or the minister find themselves at the local jail, negotiating the release of Hispanic church members. She said that they are incarcerated on what she calls “convenient charges,â€

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    They have just one impediment... the step over the boarder
    it is a crime and together they create a crime wave

    Please contact this person and fill them in on just what some of the other christians that live in this county think.

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    [quote]Furthermore, she said, the authorities don’t realize the fear under which these people live. She said they’re just too frightened to go up to City Hall and ask, “Hey, what do I need to do to get square here?â€
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    Lotsa ammo here, especially page 2

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/200 ... -32.0.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by BetsyRoss
    Indeed, Maria's Christianity doesn't seem enough to prick her conscience over the very real wrongdoing she's done by coming into this country unlawfully. And the fact she's a fellow believer doesn't excuse what she has done or relieve her of a moral obligation to observe the laws.
    AMEN!!
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    If a rural Mexican makes a 1/12 as much as is counterpart here it can make sense from a purely altruistic perspective to help the rural Mexicans by helping them in Mexico. A person hired full time to help their neigbors would cost 1/12 as much if they are hired to help them there.
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    I just sent this email to Ms. Holley

    Ms. Holley,
    I just read your article about Christianity and immigration.
    What you missed:
    The first step over the border breaks the law.
    Drivers licenses are a privilege not a right.
    Identity fraud is not a victimless crime.
    The right to work is the right of a citizen not an uninvited foreign national.
    To have a baby out of wedlock is immoral.
    To steal taxpayer money with welfare, education,subsidized housing and health care is a crime.
    We are the most generous nation on earth and we have laws. They are not a request but a demand. We can't choose which laws are fair and decide not to follow them. If that were the case we could stop paying taxes.
    We allow 2 million people to immigrate into the United States legally each year.
    Are you aware that the "open borders" agenda is to aid in the destruction economically and socially of the United States. Are you aware that the plan is the New World Order, a one world government?
    Read Revelations!! You are aiding and abetting more than illegal aliens, you are in your own way aiding in the creation of Satan's reign.
    "It is error alone that needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself".
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    What a crock. There have been wars over God and Country for centuries. This Christian will fight any invasion into the U.S. I also think we need to fight for prayer in our schools. This nation was founded using Biblical principles. God said if we turn away from him, he would turn away from us. The Bible says "teach a child when they are young and they will not forget when they are old." Makes good sense to me.

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    Him and his ilk are trying to chip away at the vast number of Americans that simply want our laws enforced by appealing to our compassion.
    "American"Â*with no hyphen andÂ*proud of it!

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    a Christian perspective on illegal immigration

    Jesus never disobeyed the Roman laws imposed upon Israel. He never advised civil disobedience to the oppressive laws of the Roman Empire. Instead, He commanded, "Render to Cæsar that which is Cæsar's, and render to God that which is God's." Unlike Rome, the U.S. has excellent, fair immigration laws.

    The scripture enjoins us to not turn away the alien. But the Bible never once calls criminal trespassers or invading foreign armies "aliens" or "sojourners". There is a profound difference between "legal aliens" and "illegal aliens," between foreigners seeking help through legitimate channels and hostile enemy invaders taking whatever they can by force or deceit.

    Christians sometimes feel our first obligation is to be kind and loving (1 Corinthians 13) to the needy alien who is in our midst (or in our face). This ignores the obligation to obey God's laws, and to render to Cæsar that which is Cæsar's, when we love God and our neighbor. God didn't tell the Good Samaritan to take what belonged to someone else in order to finance his mission of mercy. God didn't tell the Good Samaritan to evict a paid-up occupant at the inn and put the crime victim in his room. God didn't tell the Good Samaritan to write dun letters to the unworthy priest and the uncharitable Levite, requesting their financial assistance for the robbed and beaten man they had ignored. God didn't tell the Good Samaritan to sacrifice obedience in order to show mercy (Luke 10:30-37). At the risk of being painfully blunt, God didn't tell the Good Samaritan to put someone else out of a job in order to give that job to an alien, no matter how needy.

    A thief came to the parish priest and confessed, "Padre, I have sinned. My children were hungry, and my faithful wife was sick. So I borrowed someone's chicken without paying for it and made chicken soup for my needy family. Forgive me, and I'll restore the chicken when I have money to buy another one." The compassionate priest wished to restore the man to grace, so he said, "In the name + of Jesus Christ, I forgive your sin. Go and sin no more." When the priest went to his chicken coop to prepare his supper, he found his own chicken was gone.

    Illegal aliens working for sub-standard wages displace American citizens from their jobs, and the financial ruin from loss of work breaks up many families. While they do not pay federal taxes, state taxes, Social Security, Workman's Comp, unemployment insurance, (union dues where required,) or health insurance, illegal aliens displace American citizens who MUST have their paychecks reduced by these payments. So the scofflaw employer pays his illegal alien laborer the same $8 an hour that an American citizen would take home, but the U.S. Treasury (that's US!) doesn't get paid. Neither does the state government (that's US!). Neither does Social Security (that's US!). Neither does the health insurance provider, and the illegal alien and his family fall back upon Medicare and Medicaid (that's US!).

    If Medicare and Medicaid rightfully refuse to pay the illegal alien's healthcare costs, EMTALA requires the hospital to provide emergency room care and Labor & Delivery care without reimbursement. So the hospitals (84 in southern California alone between 1993 and 2004) go bankrupt, close their doors (14 of 42 Labor and Delivery Depts. in Philadelphia since 2003), and leave the community without a hospital. That immediately makes the community a less desirable place to live, which slashes property values for the local residents (that's US!) and reduces property tax receipts for the local schools and the students (that's US!). Illegal aliens, 10 or 20 at a time, live in single-family residences, driving down the property values of all property owners in the neighborhood (that's US!) and reducing property tax receipts... but you've heard that before (that's US!).

    Illegal aliens from Mexico and some other Latin American countries do not subscribe to American mores, shabby though they may be: specifically, the societal norms about the physical abuse of women, the age of consent, and drunk driving. Illegal aliens displace American workers who do acknowledge American values. Illegal aliens, by their very presence in the U.S., are guilty of illegal entry and therefore violators of U.S. civil regulations. If an illegal alien has been booked and removed from the U.S. before, that illegal alien commits a felony when re-entering the country. Illegal entry, except for the first offense, makes illegal aliens, if convicted, FELONS. Illegal aliens displace American workers, most of whom are not felons.

    Daniel 7 and Revelation 13:1-11 unveil Satan and his incarnate human form, the antichrist, as being the head of the future one world government. With its precursors that presently exist, founded upon a revived Roman Empire, and focused on commerce and finance, this future OWG is the motive for eliminating the U.S. as a world power which would stand in its way. The numerous strategies in establishing the future OWG include eliminating: 1) national sovereignty, 2) national identity, 3) national language, and 4) barriers to illegal aliens. God dispersed the nations united at the tower of Babel by confusing their speech and creating multitudes of languages, thus showing that He did not want a one-world-government to exist (Genesis 11:1-11).

    WHERE IS THE GOD OF AMOS? Where are the William Wilberforces of the 21st century, crying out against abuses of quasi-slave illegal aliens, and advocating for the displaced American citizen workers?

    IT'S AGAINST THE LAW. The last word on the subject is, illegal aliens are . . . ILLEGAL.

    Sincerely in Christ,

    MinuteManCDC_SC
    One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.

    Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
    tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.

    The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!

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