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    Illegal aliens line up for driver's license

    LOS ANGELES -- When Alberto Fraire drives past a police car these days, he no longer worries about steep fines, or perhaps being hauled to jail and tangling with the immigration system.

    When California began issuing driver's licenses to illegal aliens this year, he was one of the first in line.

    "There's a huge sense of relief now; it's a psychological thing," said Fraire, 37, who came to the United States with his parents from Mexico more than 25 years ago and recently leased a new black BMW to celebrate receiving his license in May.

    "I am not completely secure, but I don't have to worry every time I get into my car."

    Fraire is part of an extraordinary milestone. In the first six months of this year, more than half of the new driver's licenses issued by California went to illegal aliens like him.

    Even now, months after the program went into effect, lines regularly begin at the Department of Motor Vehicles in Los Angeles by 6 a.m., a sign of the continuing changes in the state's population.

    Department officials predict that they will issue nearly 1.5 million licenses to illegal aliens within three years.

    Of the 883,000 total licenses issued from January to the end of July, 443,000 were granted to illegal aliens, the officials said.

    Many in the state applaud the license program, as well as other efforts by California to integrate illegal aliens into the economy, saying it simply reflects the demographic reality.

    While an overhaul of the nation's immigration laws has languished in Congress, many illegal aliens have established themselves in California over decades.

    Thanks to recent legislative measures, they can receive financial aid and student loans to attend state universities and can be approved to practice more than 40 professions, including law, architecture and dentistry.

    Fraire, for example, works as an electrician and plans to apply for a contractor's license so he can open his own business.

    Most of the alien drivers who are now getting their licenses have been on the roads for years, usually driving registered cars with insurance to minimize the possibility of steep fines or of having their cars impounded.

    But critics said that with measures like the driver's license program, the state is interfering with federal policy.

    They argue that such laws will only entice more people to enter the country illegally, increasing the need for public spending.

    "It creates even more of a magnet in what is already basically a sanctuary state," said Joe Guzzardi, a spokesman for Californians for Population Stabilization, which advocates stricter immigration policies.

    "These are very tangible rewards to people who have knowingly and willingly violated the law."

    Still, nearly 65 percent of the state's residents see immigration as a net benefit to the state, according to a January poll by the Public Policy Institute of California, a San Francisco-based research group.

    Many of the laws offering benefits of various kinds have sailed through the state Legislature with little controversy, often with support from both parties.

    California is hardly alone in offering benefits to illegal aliens; a dozen states allow them to get driver's licenses, and more offer in-state tuition rates at public universities.

    But no other state's efforts come close to the breadth of those California officials have pursued.

    Under the budget approved this year, children from low-income families, regardless of their immigration status, will receive subsidized health care.

    Lawmakers are also considering legislation to allow illegal aliens to pay for health insurance through the state's public exchange.

    And a bill that would give agricultural workers permits and protect them from deportation, the kind of policy that has historically been in the federal domain, cleared its first legislative hurdle with nearly unanimous support.

    Huntington Park, a suburb of Los Angeles, is moving this week to appoint illegal aliens to two unpaid advisory board positions.

    "If Congress isn't going to act, this state will find its own way," said Assemblyman Luis Alejo, a Democrat and the author of the driver's license legislation and the agricultural bill.

    In 2013, after California's Legislature approved the plan to issue the licenses, officials spent nearly a year working out the details, including what the licenses would look like and what identification documents would be accepted.

    Initially, officials worried that eligible illegal aliens would not try to obtain licenses for fear that it was a trap.

    Instead, in January, when the licenses became available, lines of applicants stretched around Department of Motor Vehicles offices.

    The state hired 1,000 new workers and opened four offices specifically to help with the new licenses.


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    I know there are treaties whereby foreign drivers are supposed to have a license from their own country, and an international drivers permit. How do the states go beyond this. A legal expert told me he didn't think the treaties could prevent this happening.
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    This is aiding and abetting illegal immigrants! The federal government would be in its rights to demand California provide them with the information provided for issuance of the license ...... names, addresses, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by European Knight View Post
    LOS ANGELES -- When Alberto Fraire drives past a police car these days, he no longer worries about steep fines, or perhaps being hauled to jail and tangling with the immigration system.

    When California began issuing driver's licenses to illegal aliens this year, he was one of the first in line.

    "There's a huge sense of relief now; it's a psychological thing," said Fraire, 37, who came to the United States with his parents from Mexico more than 25 years ago and recently leased a new black BMW to celebrate receiving his license in May.

    "I am not completely secure, but I don't have to worry every time I get into my car."

    Fraire is part of an extraordinary milestone. In the first six months of this year, more than half of the new driver's licenses issued by California went to illegal aliens like him.

    Even now, months after the program went into effect, lines regularly begin at the Department of Motor Vehicles in Los Angeles by 6 a.m., a sign of the continuing changes in the state's population.

    Department officials predict that they will issue nearly 1.5 million licenses to illegal aliens within three years.

    Of the 883,000 total licenses issued from January to the end of July, 443,000 were granted to illegal aliens, the officials said.

    Many in the state applaud the license program, as well as other efforts by California to integrate illegal aliens into the economy, saying it simply reflects the demographic reality.

    While an overhaul of the nation's immigration laws has languished in Congress, many illegal aliens have established themselves in California over decades.

    Thanks to recent legislative measures, they can receive financial aid and student loans to attend state universities and can be approved to practice more than 40 professions, including law, architecture and dentistry.

    Fraire, for example, works as an electrician and plans to apply for a contractor's license so he can open his own business.

    Most of the alien drivers who are now getting their licenses have been on the roads for years, usually driving registered cars with insurance to minimize the possibility of steep fines or of having their cars impounded.

    But critics said that with measures like the driver's license program, the state is interfering with federal policy.

    They argue that such laws will only entice more people to enter the country illegally, increasing the need for public spending.

    "It creates even more of a magnet in what is already basically a sanctuary state," said Joe Guzzardi, a spokesman for Californians for Population Stabilization, which advocates stricter immigration policies.

    "These are very tangible rewards to people who have knowingly and willingly violated the law."

    Still, nearly 65 percent of the state's residents see immigration as a net benefit to the state, according to a January poll by the Public Policy Institute of California, a San Francisco-based research group.

    Many of the laws offering benefits of various kinds have sailed through the state Legislature with little controversy, often with support from both parties.

    California is hardly alone in offering benefits to illegal aliens; a dozen states allow them to get driver's licenses, and more offer in-state tuition rates at public universities.

    But no other state's efforts come close to the breadth of those California officials have pursued.

    Under the budget approved this year, children from low-income families, regardless of their immigration status, will receive subsidized health care.

    Lawmakers are also considering legislation to allow illegal aliens to pay for health insurance through the state's public exchange.

    And a bill that would give agricultural workers permits and protect them from deportation, the kind of policy that has historically been in the federal domain, cleared its first legislative hurdle with nearly unanimous support.

    Huntington Park, a suburb of Los Angeles, is moving this week to appoint illegal aliens to two unpaid advisory board positions.

    "If Congress isn't going to act, this state will find its own way," said Assemblyman Luis Alejo, a Democrat and the author of the driver's license legislation and the agricultural bill.

    In 2013, after California's Legislature approved the plan to issue the licenses, officials spent nearly a year working out the details, including what the licenses would look like and what identification documents would be accepted.

    Initially, officials worried that eligible illegal aliens would not try to obtain licenses for fear that it was a trap.

    Instead, in January, when the licenses became available, lines of applicants stretched around Department of Motor Vehicles offices.

    The state hired 1,000 new workers and opened four offices specifically to help with the new licenses.


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    THEY SHOULD NOT GET A DRIVES LICENSE AT ALL .

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    I have to wonder if conservative legal advocacy group can't find a case to sue on, somewhere, here. All you hear is the "constitutional rights of immigrants"---what about the rights of the American people to be "protected from invasion?" It doesn't have to be a conventional military invasion--the authors of the constitution could not foresee ICBM's or jet bombers. They could foresee pirate invasion. i.e. non state actors. So terror cells are definitely included---and criminals en masse should be, plus welfare system leeches, i.e. public charges.

    And we already have provisions for allowing foreigners to drive here---if they have their own license and an IDP. Everyone is supposed to get them.
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    California’s new Motor Voter Act (AB 1461), introduced by Secretary of State Alex Padilla and jointly authored by Assembly members Lorena Gonzalez (D-San Diego), Luis Alejo (D-Salinas), and Kevin McCarty (D-Sacramento), is currently making its way through the California legislature. This was July 15th of this year, massive Voter Fraud on the way just in time for 2016.
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    When all of the states get all of them licensed take all of the D.M.V. fingerprints and add them to the F.B.I. database and the I.C.E. database. Let's find out who everyone is.
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    Don't reward the criminal actions of millions of illegal aliens by giving them citizenship.


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    NO AMNESTY

    Don't reward the criminal actions of millions of illegal aliens by giving them citizenship.


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    And then add it all to E-VERIFY.


    • Records and Information from DMVs for E-Verify (RIDE)





    • Verifying Employee Eligibility—One Driver at a Time

      E-Verify is an Internet-based system that compares information from an employee's Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification, to data from U.S. Department of Homeland Security and Social Security Administration records to confirm employment eligibility.
    • The Records and Information from DMVs for E-Verify (RIDE) initiative is an enhancement to the E-Verify program that verifies the validity of driver’s license and ID card information by matching the data entered by employers against jurisdiction records.

      By partnering with AAMVA and state motor vehicle offices, USCIS leverages the existing driver status exchange system, Problem Driver Pointer System (PDPS) to verify driver’s license information against state records.

    • If you are interested in participating in the RIDE program, or would like more information, please contact the AAMVA Help Desk.

      Benefits
      • Fraudulent document detection
      • Identify state record errors


    • For more information about the E-Verify program, please visit http://www.uscis.gov/e-verify.

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    http://www.alipac.us/f12/i-c-e-can-u...aliens-316141/

    . . .
    federal immigration agents could use state driver's license databases to track down people for deportation . . .

    . . . federal agents earlier this year arrested several immigrants with prior deportation orders after apparently identifying them with help from driver's license photo and vehicle information . . .

    . . . In California, the information could be used by law enforcement agencies that have access to driver data for investigative purposes . . .

    . . . After the Maryland arrests, state officials there told immigrant advocates that federal immigration officials can query the database by name . . .
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