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    Immigration Bills May Split Republicans

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    Immigration Bills May Split Republicans
    Bipartisan Call for Guest Worker Program at Odds With Push to Secure Borders


    By Jonathan Weisman
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, March 2, 2006; A09



    The Senate will begin work today on legislation to overhaul the nation's immigration laws and plug its porous borders, but a bipartisan push to create a new guest worker program has put Senate Republicans on a collision course with their counterparts in the House.

    The immigration question -- one of the volatile issues in this election year -- has split Republicans as no other issue before Congress. Vociferous opponents of illegal immigration are at odds with business interests and their allies, including President Bush, who are keen on establishing new, legal avenues to bolster the labor force.

    Many Republicans, especially those from the West, have said passage of legislation to enforce border security is vital to their reelection, and do not want this merged with other measures that would open up work options for immigrants.

    On the other side, supporters yesterday talked up efforts to open new opportunities for migrant workers. "I smell victory in the air," thundered Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), at a rally of immigrant hotel workers in Union Station.

    Privately, however, voices on both sides concede they would rather see legislation die in Congress than accept the compromises that may be necessary to win passage. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) wants a bill to the Senate floor by March 27, but aides say the Senate Judiciary Committee could take three weeks just to draft one.

    "This is going to be very, very difficult," said Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.), who supports a guest worker program and says immigration is one of the top two or three topics roiling the country. "You've got a lot of emotions on both sides."

    "The gap is huge," agreed Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), who has been leading the charge for a bill that deals only with border security. "I don't think you can square this circle."

    Beginning today, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) will try, when his committee begins drafting the Senate's answer to a tough border security bill that passed the House in December with no guest worker plan. The draft would authorize the hiring of new border agents, the use of unmanned aerial vehicles and other new technologies on the border, expand the definition of "alien smuggling" to combat those who shelter illegal immigrants, and toughen penalties on smugglers and illegal immigrants who repeatedly cross the border.

    But the controversy will lie with his new H-2C visa, which could be offered to hotel workers, cleaners, restaurant workers, meat processors and other "essential occupations" by employers who say they could not fill the posts with a U.S. worker. The visa would be good for six years, after which workers would have to return to their home countries for at least a year. The visa would offer no special path toward citizenship or a legal "green card."

    Specter said his approach rejects those who simply want to throw all illegal immigrants out of the country immediately, but it also does not offer a permanent reward for those who entered the country illegally.

    "We're trying to bring 11 million people out of the shadows, and if you start by saying you're going to kick them all out, who's going to come out of the shadows?" he asked. "But at the same time, you don't want them to benefit from breaking the law, so let them work, but don't move them toward citizenship."

    The White House sounded a sympathetic note toward Specter's efforts.

    "We're pleased that Chairman Specter is taking a comprehensive approach to immigration reform," said White House spokesman Erin Healy, using the catchphrase for legislation that deals both with border security and employment opportunities.

    But Specter's search for a compromise has been rewarded with attacks from both sides of the immigration divide. The editors of the conservative National Review editorialized yesterday that Specter would offer amnesty to more than 10 million illegal immigrants and their families, then create a "permanent underclass" by keeping them in the United States as exploited "non-citizens."

    Tancredo called Specter's bill "an unmitigated disaster."

    "Words almost fail to describe the threat this bill poses to our national and economic security," he said. "By legalizing the millions upon millions of illegal aliens in the country, Specter makes a mockery of our laws and crushes our already strained legal immigration system."

    Kennedy, who wrote a rival bill with Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), called Specter's bill "a non-starter," saying the guest worker program needed to be an avenue toward citizenship and suggesting that the uncapped number of visas in Specter's legislation would be an invitation to exploitation. McCain declared himself "disappointed."

    In an election year, when some Republicans fear they could lose their hold on Congress, the issue is equally bedeviling. Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman has warned his party that an anti-immigrant stand could jeopardize years of outreach to Latino voters, a position seconded by Kennedy in his hunt for GOP support for his bill.

    "The people on the other side are going to have to decide whether they want to alienate a whole, growing constituency in this country," he said.

    But to Tancredo and his allies, who are facing mounting constituent anger over what they see as a border crisis, such threats ring hollow. Business groups, organized labor and religious organizations may have united to back a broad guest worker program, but opponents say the interest groups are no match for the anger of ordinary voters. Even Specter conceded yesterday that the term "amnesty" has become a political pejorative that will be difficult to escape.

    "This issue has now achieved a level of preeminence in the minds of America that it will be a factor in the election -- it has to be," Tancredo said. "The political consequences of failure will be dire."
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    "But at the same time, you don't want them to benefit from breaking the law, so let them work, but don't move them toward citizenship."
    Letting them work is letting them benefit from breaking the law.


    "The people on the other side are going to have to decide whether they want to alienate a whole, growing constituency in this country," he said.
    And to hell with the rest of us.
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    Re: Immigration Bills May Split Republicans

    Specter said his approach rejects those who simply want to throw all illegal immigrants out of the country immediately, but it also does not offer a permanent reward for those who entered the country illegally.

    "We're trying to bring 11 million people out of the shadows, and if you start by saying you're going to kick them all out, who's going to come out of the shadows?" he asked. "But at the same time, you don't want them to benefit from breaking the law, so let them work, but don't move them toward citizenship."
    "We're trying to bring 11 million people of of the shadows"

    Arlen, what in the hell is wrong with you?

    First, they are not in the shadows but everywhere in plain sight.

    Second, there aren't 11 million of them, there's 50 million of them.

    Third, American Taxpayers aren't paying your salary and all your expenses to sit there on the JUDICIARY COMMITTEE as an "Out of the Shadows Advocate" lawbreaker supporter...you moron.

    Arlen, you are no longer the man you once were. Or maybe now we're just seeing the man you always were.

    Traitor!!

    THROW THESE BUMS OUT!!

    GRRRR!!

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    "The people on the other side are going to have to decide whether they want to alienate a whole, growing constituency in this country," he said.
    If the government were doing it's job and enforcing our laws, it wouldn't matter how mad the "growing constituency" got. They'd be back in their home countries, where they belong. Besides, if they're here illegally, there not constituents, they can't vote. What really makes me mad, is how stupid, people like Mehlman, think we are.
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    Well, it's all about them (Reps) isn't it?

    They would do anything for a vote.
    Do not vote for Party this year, vote for America and American workers!

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    Oh Boy !! FINALLY we are going to know who we will kick out of office and thank God we're going to find out in the nick of time, before the 2006 elections.

    ANY OF YOU GUYS WHO TURN YOUR BACK ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ON THIS, AND YOU KNOW WHAT WE WANT........BETTER

    START PACKING CAUSE YOU'RE GOIN HOME, BOYS. BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM AND OFF THE PAYROLL SUPPORTED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

    THIS COUNTRY BELONGS TO THE LEGAL CITIZENS AND WE WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY AMNESTY UNDER THE NAME OF GUEST WORKER, TEMPORARY WORKER, HARD WORKER, CHEAP WORKER, OR ANYTHING ELSE.
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    The Senate will begin work today on legislation to overhaul the nation's immigration laws and plug its porous borders, but a bipartisan push to create a new guest worker program has put Senate Republicans on a collision course with their counterparts in the House.
    We don't need an overhaul, we need our laws inforced

    "I smell victory in the air," thundered Sen. Edward M. Kennedy
    This man his dangerous and I hope they finally vote him out this year!
    I would rather hunt with Dick Cheney than ride with Ted Kennedy!


    "You've got a lot of emotions on both sides."
    You betcha!! Americans are fed up with that GIANT sucking sound and seeing their tax dollars wasted.

    "We're trying to bring 11 million people out of the shadows, and if you start by saying you're going to kick them all out, who's going to come out of the shadows?" he asked. "But at the same time, you don't want them to benefit from breaking the law, so let them work, but don't move them toward citizenship."
    They aren't going to come out of the shadows unless the new laws suit them. As the President of El Salvador said a few months ago in Chicago, "Tell them we don't want amnesty we want migration privileges"
    Equal rights for all, special privileges for none. Thomas Jefferson

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    As the President of El Salvador said a few months ago in Chicago, "Tell them we don't want amnesty we want migration privileges"
    My Daddy used to say,"Want in one hand, s*it in the other, and see which one fills up first.
    ( *=p) Get your mind out of the gutter!



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