Thread: Immigration 'compact' in Utah an alternative to Arizona law

Originally Posted by southBronx

well all the other State should go a long with AZ Law . if the illegal Immigrant are coming to your City or town just tell the land Lord . Not to rent to them . & tell the store own not to hire them & no welfar at all I know that what Hazelton PA doing every town should stand up & say No . go back to mexico .w ehave to be Tough I don't care what Obama said this is Our country . he don't Care about us . & we have to do what best for Us

HELL YEAH !!!!

people have to stop being so soft ... look at what this guy said

""But as a conservative and believer in freedom, there is no way in hell I will be part of rounding up innocent people. And as an ethical and moral person ... I'm not going to be part of starving them out. That leaves one option: helping them."

it's people like this that have every poor person in the world clamoring to get into our country , everyone has a sob story and this guy wants to help EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM ... with our money !!!

I strongly urge everyone to send letters of opposition to all the organizations who are trying to put forward the Utah Compact which is nothing more or less than a veiled call for amnesty. All the traitors have signed their names and identified themselves. I sent an email to the United Way of Utah and cut off all donations to them, I urge everyone to do the same. Do you really want to donate to an organization that is spending your money to aid and abet illegals who are here destroying the country?
I actually got a response from them denying that they support illegal immigration but actions speak louder than words. Signing a document put out by open borders advocates who are clearly cheering on an amnesty agenda is a pretty clear indication of where your loyalties lie. Let them all hear from you. You can go to DeseretNews.com and get a list of all the sellouts who are pushing amnesty and look them up on the internet. For the United Way to be taking donations from Americans and then spending the money to hlep finance the take over of our nation is inexcusable in my book.

Sign the Utah Compact

Published: Sunday, Nov. 14, 2010 12:00 a.m. MST
Deseret News editorial

Already recognized by Forbes Magazine as the top state in the nation for business, Utah further burnished its reputation for pro-family and pro-growth policies this week as civic, business and religious leaders signed the Utah Compact, a declaration for principled immigration reform.

Historically, during periods of economic recession, business leaders and policy-makers have reverted to what economists call zero-sum thinking — the belief that one person gains only when another loses. When we only have so much pie, it is entirely rational to worry about how the pieces are divvied out. And when the pie is shrinking, the rules for who gets a slice become even more critical.

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Brian Nicholson, Deseret News
Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff signs the Utah Compact while Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce President Lane Beattie, former Utah Gov. Olene Walker, Catholic Bishop Mark Wester, Deseret Management Corp. CEO Mark Willes, former U.S. Rep. Jim Hansen and former U.S. Sen. Jake Garn look on.

Fixed-pied concerns are undoubtedly part of what lies behind the complex debate about immigration. There is understandable fear that immigrants might take increasingly scarce jobs and resources from citizens. And any public expenditure on immigrants, whether through social services or law enforcement, draws down a limited public treasury that deserves scrupulous stewardship.

But people also intuitively understand that the best way to ensure more pie over the long term is not to hoard what is being served right now, but instead figure out how to expand the pie. This is what economists call positive-sum thinking — the belief that through exchange we can expand the pie, not simply fret about how it is divided.

The recent recession, followed by a jobless recovery, has served up a fixed-pie economy. But zero-sum or fixed-pie thinking is never the path toward sustained prosperity. And as many of Utah's prominent civic, business, and religious leaders signed a declaration on immigration reform called the Utah Compact, they sent a powerful signal to the world that Utah embraces positive-sum, pie-expanding thought and policies. Instead of creating a hostile environment for immigrants, they have outlined thoughtful principles that embrace the promise afforded through immigration. They have sided with the consensus view of pro-growth free-market economists who recognize that immigration actually creates jobs and revenue. ( www.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/business/economy/31view.html )

Even more important than the powerful economic growth message inherent in the Utah Compact is its embrace of those core values that support a free, humane and prosperous society: respect for the rule of law, respect for families, respect for individual liberty and respect for the dignity and humanity of each individual. It emphasizes an orderly approach to the critically important concerns of enforcement and security.

The Utah Compact is not itself a policy — it is a thoughtful declaration of principles that lawmakers should use as they work to craft pragmatic legislation that helps our state deal with the problems and promise afforded by immigration. We are impressed by the array of distinguished civic, business, and ecclesiastical leaders who have signed the Utah Compact or endorsed its principles. We encourage our readers to read the Utah Compact ( www.utahcompact.com ) and sign it.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7000 ... mpact.html

THE UTAH COMPACT

A declaration of five principles to guide Utah’s immigration discussion

FEDERAL SOLUTIONS
Immigration is a federal policy issue between the U.S. government and other countries—not Utah and other countries. We urge Utah’s congressional delegation, and others, to lead efforts to strengthen federal laws and protect our national borders. We urge state leaders to adopt reasonable policies addressing immigrants in Utah.

LAW ENFORCEMENT
We respect the rule of law and support law enforcement’s professional judgment and discretion. Local law enforcement resources should focus on criminal activities, not civil violations of federal code.

FAMILIES
Strong families are the foundation of successful communities. We oppose policies that unnecessarily separate families. We champion policies that support families and improve the health, education and well-being of all Utah children.

ECONOMY
Utah is best served by a free-market philosophy that maximizes individual freedom and opportunity. We acknowledge the economic role immigrants play as workers and taxpayers. Utah’s immigration policies must reaffirm our global reputation as a welcoming and business-friendly state.

A FREE SOCIETY
Immigrants are integrated into communities across Utah. We must adopt a humane approach to this reality, reflecting our unique culture, history and spirit of inclusion. The way we treat immigrants will say more about us as a free society and less about our immigrant neighbors. Utah should always be a place that welcomes people of goodwill.

http://www.utahcompact.com/

Immigrants are integrated into communities across Utah. We must adopt a humane approach to this reality, reflecting our unique culture, history and spirit of inclusion. The way we treat immigrants will say more about us as a free society and less about our immigrant neighbors. Utah should always be a place that welcomes people of goodwill.

What's so inhumane about sending someone back to their rightful country of citizenship? When the hell did this start!

FEDERAL SOLUTIONS
Immigration is a federal policy issue between the U.S. government and other countries—not Utah and other countries. We urge Utah’s congressional delegation, and others, to lead efforts to strengthen federal laws and protect our national borders. We urge state leaders to adopt reasonable policies addressing immigrants in Utah.

If they want a federal solution they should demand that the federal government enforce ALL federal immigration laws and secure the border to prevent future problems.

Originally Posted by Dansk9

I live in Utah and I can tell you this is the biggest crock ever concocted. The overwhelming majority in the state want the law enforced and illegals thrown out of here. This is nothing but an attempt to "shoot from behind a rock" and advocate amnesty without actually admitting that that's what you are doing.
Those who have signed are getting big time push back they are all nothing but a bunch of open borders advocates who think they stop the AZ style law that is coming soon.
One of the signers is Ivory Homes, who is listed on wehirealiens.com, as one of the biggest employers of illegals in the state. The rest are all self serving special interests who exploit illegals as well. One of the most surprising signers is the United Way, if you donate to them it is time to stop, they have now been flushed out as amnesty advocates in their support of this silly compact.

I tried to simplify this issue to a level that's easy to understand. Let's say you're waiting in line to watch a movie. The line is long. There are 100 people in front of you. Here comes a group of people, say 10 of them and they cut in front of the line, jumping ahead of everyone else who's been patiently waiting. Most people who've been waiting in line are civil so they protest but do nothing else. The 10 people then gather a bunch of other line breakers and they protest to have the right to break the line. Their argument is that the line wasn't formed to their satisfaction in a manner that provided a way for them to break the line so they wouldn't miss the movie. In the meantime, another group of 10 people arrive and they go to the back of the line, the right thing to do in a civil society. They don't demand special treatment, they don't protest, they're civil enough to know that in life, it's not always about cheating and taking advantage of others.
This whole compact thing is nothing but yet another way to justify brEaking the line by saying it's broken. It's all about pushing an illegal issue to make it legal so they can have it their way despite the laws already in place. It's like a person insisting on buying something for $10 that costs $1000 and he won't go away until the seller sells it for $10 or store security kicks him out of the store. Try playing that game with your bank if you're facing foreclosure. They kick you out of your home no ifs and buts about it. That's how immigration law should be but isn't. These people are like thieves protesting that home owners are locking their doors, a fact that prevents them from breaking in and stealing. They want a law passed so that all doors are left unlocked for them. The U.S. is probably the only country in the world that allows this to go on for as long as it has.
What's worse, there are people out there who actually see nothing wrong with others breaking the line or home owners leaving their back doors unlocked so thieves can easily come in and steal.

They call it compassion.

What's so inhumane about sending someone back to their rightful country of citizenship? When the hell did this start!

First, it started with the big lie that people in Mexico are starving. Well, people in Ethiopia are starving and you don't see the U.S. bringing them in by the boat load. Second, people and special interest groups can't tell the difference between illegal and legal immigration so they think that pro legal immigration people are against immigrants. It's a lot like defending someone's right to commit crimes.

How to fix 5 very incorrect principles. It's goes like this:

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

THE UTAH CON PACT

A declaration of five principles to guide Utah’s LEGAL immigration discussion

FEDERAL SOLUTIONS
LEGAL Immigration is a federal policy issue between the U.S. government and other countries—not Utah and other countries. We urge Utah’s congressional delegation, and others, to lead efforts to strengthen federal laws and protect our national borders. We urge state leaders to adopt reasonable policies addressing LEGAL immigrants in Utah.

LAW ENFORCEMENT
We respect the rule of law and support law enforcement’s professional judgment and discretion. Local law enforcement resources should focus on criminal activities OF ALL KINDS, not civil violations of federal code.

FAMILIES
Strong LAW-ABIDING families are the foundation of successful communities. We oppose policies that unnecessarily separate families WHO DO NOT VIOLATE THE LAW. We champion policies that support families and improve the health, earned education and well-being of all Utah children who are in the country legally.

ECONOMY
Utah is best served by a free-market philosophy that maximizes individual freedom and opportunity. We acknowledge the economic role LEGAL immigrants play as LEGAL workers and LEGAL taxpayers. Utah’s LEGAL immigration policies must reaffirm our global reputation as a welcoming and business-friendly state.

A FREE SOCIETY
ILLEGAL Immigrants are ILLEGALLY integrated into communities across Utah. We must adopt a humane approach to this reality, reflecting our unique culture, history and spirit of inclusion OF LAW ABIDING PEOPLE. The way we treat LEGAL immigrants will say more about us as a free society and less about our ILLEGAL immigrant neighbors. Utah should always be a place that welcomes LAW-ABIDING people of goodwill.

http://www.utahcompact.com/

Glad to fix that for Free. It took me less than 3 minutes.