Thread: Immigration issue could make or break presidential candidate

Recall Bill Clinton signed in NAFTA another Neocon's (Reagan and Bush Sr) socialist debacle. In truth the Democrats are no different than the Republican's only they may differ in right to life, gay marriage, etc... and support a different type of socialism.

When and if the GOP nominates anyone other than our favorite three, Paul, Hunter, and Tancredo, the latter two supporters should join Ron Paul's run as an Independent. Paul would be the only one to abide by our Constitution and help break down the socialist agendas of both Parties! I like when I read the notes Paul makes after he votes on a bill in the House, he always ties in his decision with our Constitution!

For Republicans, it's "tough enforcement": All support more border security and tough workplace enforcement, and most are adamantly opposed to creating any kind of "amnesty" for "illegal aliens.

Well, Giuliani (unlike Thompson or Romney of the "major" candidates) SUPPORTS "pathway" amnesty -- just like GWB.

I say let's draw the line in the sand. Let's have this presidential race be open borders (destroy America) vs. enforcing laws and preserving sovereignty.

We have proven ourselves over and over, with our numbers, faxes, phone calls and emails. They have shown once that they were willing to take off of work and threaten America by flying foreign flags in our streets.

Let's have the final runoff and see who wins. The only requirement is showing proof of citizenship at the polls.

Originally Posted by Populist

For Republicans, it's "tough enforcement": All support more border security and tough workplace enforcement, and most are adamantly opposed to creating any kind of "amnesty" for "illegal aliens.

Well, Giuliani (unlike Thompson or Romney of the "major" candidates) SUPPORTS "pathway" amnesty -- just like GWB.

I hear what you are saying, but I truly believe Romeny and Thomspon will also grant amnesty. I believe they both supported that Shamnesty bill, and THAT was amnesty... I think the TOP TIER are just doing what Bush did - lie to get your vote. Then sell us out to special and corporate interests.

NO TOP TIER will solve the immigration issue. They will put it on hold for a year and 'then' something will come along and a compromise will have to be made. Think of this. Why did Romney not promise "how much" would be withheld from Sanctuary cities? Why? I truly want to know. Why not just say "ALL OF IT!" This is the same issues with our laws.. If you are NOT gonna support the law, how can you do it halfway.

Forget Ghouliani...... that dude a liberal in republican clothing.. or more apt. He is neo-conned x2. His firm represntas cintra, the spanish company that is currently building the NAFTA superhiway.

I believe both Romney and Thompson opposed the amnesty bill.

But regarding the above article, I'm glad that the reporter at least said this:

But those poll outcomes depend very much on how the question is asked.

If the poll questions are phrased neutrally and/or with proper context, they show Americans do not support amnesty:

http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/2006poll.html

I'm having a tough time with my sister. While she agrees with me about paying less in taxes, getting rid of the illegal aliens, and stuff like that, she is still going to vote for the person who gives her the most in free medical care. She has some calcium deposit growing in her stomach.

It doesn't make sense. She talks about how she needs free medical. We live in Florida, all she has to do is walk into any emergency room and she has free medical. When I bring up that argument she says she can't afford to take the time off. Then we run back into the circle again days later about how she's going to vote for the person who will pass Schip so she can get free medical. What I say goes in one ear and out the other. Typical Democrat crap.

Originally Posted by slyhunter

I'm having a tough time with my sister. While she agrees with me about paying less in taxes, getting rid of the illegal aliens, and stuff like that, she is still going to vote for the person who gives her the most in free medical care. She has some calcium deposit growing in her stomach.

It doesn't make sense. She talks about how she needs free medical. We live in Florida, all she has to do is walk into any emergency room and she has free medical. When I bring up that argument she says she can't afford to take the time off. Then we run back into the circle again days later about how she's going to vote for the person who will pass Schip so she can get free medical. What I say goes in one ear and out the other. Typical Democrat crap.

I know many people like your sister they're just caught up in the hype. When discussing the unConstitutional issues of socialism I end up repeating myself over and over again stubbornly they'll still say something about voting for a Democrat. I've had success cutting off socialism discussions by referring to our Constitution allowing the States to be self governed and left alone by our federal government.

Many people try to cut me off when I mention Ron Paul with the "is'nt he a Republican" and they do not want to reason any issues, Bush has destroyed the Republican party name. When I try to explain Ron Paul is not funded by the GOP I get a dumb founded look. Your average person apparently does not know anything about the GOP. I find that when I mention Paul was a Libertarian who ran against Reagan I can consequently have a more reasonable discussion.