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    King: Fence off Mexican border

    King: Fence off Mexican border

    The Iowa congressman wants immigration talks to be part of the presidential campaign.

    By THOMAS BEAUMONT
    REGISTER STAFF WRITER
    August 23, 2005
    U.S. Rep. Steve King said Monday he's not ready to propose building a wall between the United States and Mexico, but a 10-foot-tall chain-link fence topped with razor wire would be a good start.

    "It could well find its way into legislation in the next month or two," King said during an immigration control forum in Des Moines.

    The Iowa Republican said building a 2,000-mile-long fence would cost about $680 million and slow border crossings. But he and other supporters of dramatic reduction in illegal immigration have more immediate policy proposals - and a national political agenda - they hope will fundamentally slow the illegal flow out of Mexico.

    "This is about presidential politics. I make no bones about it," King said. "I want Iowans to understand immigration policy, and I want them to challenge the presidential candidates when they get here and ask them the hard questions."

    National polls show most Americans favor a reduction in immigration, legal and illegal. An NBC News and Wall Street Journal poll in May found that 56 percent of Americans thought President Bush was doing too little about immigration.

    Even some immigrant-rights groups say the need for wholesale immigration reform is overdue. But they add that King's idea of a fenced border - not to mention proposals to deport all undocumented immigrants and penalize businesses who hire them - is unrealistic.

    "The proposals are completely absurd," said Flavia Jimenez, an immigration policy analyst for the National Council of La Raza, a national Hispanic advocacy group.

    Estimates of the number of immigrants in the United States illegally range from 11 million to about 14 million.

    La Raza and some Democrats in Congress support granting amnesty to workers who are in the country illegally. Bush, a Republican, supports letting millions of workers who are in the United States illegally gain legal status as guest workers.

    King and Republican Congressman Tom Tancredo of Colorado said they want candidates running for president to have clear and aggressive plans for dealing with immigration before they begin their campaigns for Iowa's lead-off nominating caucuses.

    "The purpose is trying to make sure that the issue is elevated to the point where nobody can weasel out of it," said Tancredo, who has flirted with mounting a 2008 nomination bid.

    "Saying, 'I'm against illegal immigration. Next question,' is not good enough," he said. "We want to change the level of debate."

    King and Tancredo were joined Monday by about 50 supporters, representatives of immigration control groups the Minutemen and Numbers USA, and U.S. Rep. J.D. Hayworth, an Arizona Republican. Also participating in the morning sessions at the downtown Des Moines Marriott hotel was Peter Gadiel, whose son James died in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack in New York. Gadiel said a more aggressive illegal immigration policy could have prevented the attacks.

    But the main argument from King and others was that illegal immigration hurts the U.S. economy by encouraging the use of disproportionately cheap labor.

    To that end, King has drafted a bill that would make employers unable to take tax deductions for the wages and benefits they pay to workers who are in the United States illegally.

    "What the (bill) is designed to do is change that flow of people from coming north to going south," King said. "I believe it does that. I don't think it completely dries it up. There will be people hiring them off the books, but I think it slows it down dramatically."

    It would be impossible to reverse the U.S. economy's reliance on immigrants as a source of labor, La Raza's Jimenez said, and the solution to illegal immigration lies in allowing undocumented workers to gradually become legal residents.
    "Employer sanctions and arbitrary enforcement-type measures have never worked, have not worked for the past 20 years, and will not work because we live in a market economy, and that market economy demands jobs," she said. "And there are willing workers to fill those jobs, and that's what we are faced with here."

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    A fence is a very good start... electronic senors in the fence to warn when its being cut would be very good too.
    But its only a start!

    Jail time and fines for poeple that hire illegals would be another good idea.
    Limit medical services avable to illegals to emergency care only is another.
    Empowering local police to check and arrest illegals for later deportation is also needed.

    I don't believe any one thing will stop the flood, its gonna take a few different things working together to stop the flood.
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    charging these enablers with treason and prison might be good start too -- because they are "adhering" to the enemies of the states . . .

    a charge of "treason" would result not only in prison time, but also the forfeiture of private property during their lifetime . . . the states could be guardians of all property until the death of the traitor -- then it would revert back to the heirs . . .


    Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

    The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.
    treason is the only crime punishable under the Constitution by "bill of attainders"
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    charging these enablers with treason and prison might be good start too -- because they are "adhering" to the enemies of the states . . .

    a charge of "treason" would result not only in prison time, but also the forfeiture of private property during their lifetime . . . the states could be guardians of all property until the death of the traitor -- then it would revert back to the heirs . . .


    Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

    The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.
    treason is the only crime punishable under the Constitution by "bill of attainders"


    The citizen who unites himself with a hostile nation, waging war against his country, is guilty of a crime of which the foreign army is innocent; with him it is treason, with his associates it is, in the code of nations, legitimate warfare. If he should be made prisoner and proceeded against as a traitor, it is against the usage of nations for those who have accepted his co-operation to object to the course which the laws of his own country impose on him.

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    Yeah, 680 million to build the fence and then another 680 million to repair and replace the destroyed fence every year there after. That fence will look like swiss cheese in a week.

    We need a wall. Why is that so out of the question.

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    Congress is authorized to appropriate monies for national defense -- if it took all the unauthorized monies that it appropriates to "illegal aliens" there wouldn't be a funding problem
    "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it" George Santayana "Deo Vindice"

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