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Lawmaker doesn't see Utah Legislature finding consensus on illegal immigration
January 9, 2011
By Dennis Romboy, Deseret News

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SALT LAKE CITY — With Utah lawmakers looking at as many as two dozen immigration bills this year, any sort of agreement between Republican and Democrats will be hard to come by.

Talk lately has centered on an omnibus bill combining the best ideas into a package that both sides of the aisle could get behind.

But Rep. Brian King, D-Salt Lake, doesn't see that happening in the GOP-controlled Legislature.

"I would be shocked if there were any consensus that came out of this session on how to deal with immigration," he said.

King participated in a panel discussion on illegal immigration Saturday hosted by the Women's Democratic Club of Utah. Other participants were Sen. Luz Robles, D-Salt Lake, attorney Mark Alvarez and University of Utah political science professor Claudio Holzner.

So far, proposals floated by Rep. Stephen Sandstrom, R-Orem, and Robles have drawn the most attention heading into the Utah Legislature's Jan. 24 start date. Sandstrom's bill Arizona-style approach emphasizes law enforcement and punishment. Robles' bill centers on accountability and state-issued work permits.

While Alvarez said he "abhors" Sandstrom's plan, Robles' proposed work permits will never receive the federal approval necessary to make them a reality.

"It's borderline dishonest because it's not possible," he said.

"I don't think we should use the horrors of the Sandstrom proposal to propose something that in a sense gives people some hope because it's false hope. Let's makes sure that in discussing immigration issues we don't give false hope to people who are looking for any hope because I tell you what, they're going to get swindled."

Alvarez has long been an advocated for fixing the immigration system at the federal level.

Holzner said it's important to understand what make current immigration policies a failure. People need to ask themselves if the problem is immigration or illegal immigration.

"In the United States, the debate is about illegal immigration. But it too often sounds like it's about immigrants, about whether or not we want foreigners in this country. So the first step is to decide for ourselves where we stand on the immigrations issue, not the illegal immigration issue," he said.

"If the problem is illegal immigration, the solution is simple: legalize them," Holzner said to applause and cheers in the heavily Democratic crowd.

While does not favor an open-door policy, he said the government should make it easier for people to immigrate legally to fill the nation's great demand for jobs in its dynamic economy.

Alvarez noted how polarized the illegal immigration debate has become.

"On one side we have people screaming illegal. On the other side to respond the accusation is racist," he said. "When do sensible people get heard on this issue?"

Robles said that her bill may not provide all the solutions to illegal immigration, it has succeeded in moving the discussion away from the punitive Arizona-style approach. Ultimately, she said, 104 Utah legislators will determine Utah's direction.

And whatever lawmakers decide, King said he hopes emotion can be removed from the debate.

"Let's discuss this in a meaningful way based on fact as opposed to stories, anecdotes, supposition, fantasy or ideology," he said. "That's the challenge we'll have in the upcoming session."

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"If the problem is illegal immigration, the solution is simple: legalize them," Holzner said to applause and cheers in the heavily Democratic crowd.

Really moron? Pray tell me what do you say to people waiting patiently in their home countries, who have followed all the rules? Screw you, we have to reward illegals aliens? Sorry, illegal aliens came in before you, so what they broke the laws to do it?

The solution is simple: deport all illegal aliens and streamline the immigration process so people who do it right don't have a 10-20 year wait.

Can you believe Holzner is a "professor"? His solution to illegal immigration is to make them legal. If millions of people rob banks we should make that legal as well according to him. What an idiot! This guy may well have earned the title "Lord of the Idiots". I am sure he was hired under affirmative action, he certainly isn't qualified otherwise. This is the kind of teachers our colleges and universities hire now days apparently. Face it, with guys like this in charge there is no hope left.