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    Left's immigration proposals amount to an open border, SDUT

    U-T Editorial: Dangers of overreaching

    Some of the left's immigration proposals amount to an open border
    2:00 a.m. January 27, 2009


    Losing is no fun, but winning comes with its own set of perils. At the top of the list is the danger of getting intoxicated on one's perceived power and overreaching.

    In the immigration debate, both sides have made that mistake. When Republicans controlled Congress, they couldn't resist abandoning common sense and proposing half-baked ideas that helped sour the discussion and inflame the opposition. Instead of maintaining the high ground in defense of secure borders and more deportations – arguments they could win – conservatives suggested building fences, making unauthorized presence in the country a felony, and punishing social service agencies for aiding illegal immigrants. They also tried unsuccessfully to alter the legal immigration system by scrapping family reunification as the guiding principle and replacing it with a merit-based admissions policy. And, of course, what would immigration reform be without an attempt to make English the official language.

    Now, Democrats and their supporters are poised to make similar mistakes. Given President Barack Obama's support for comprehensive immigration reform, those on the left might have a shot at achieving earned legalization for millions of illegal immigrants, provided those immigrants pay fines, learn English, undergo criminal background checks, go to the back of the line and meet other conditions. That's an argument they can win, especially since anti-immigration advocates don't have much of a counter argument.

    But do you suppose liberals are going to stop there and quit while they're ahead? Of course not. Some activists want an end to all residential and workplace immigration raids; to any collaborative agreements between federal immigration authorities and local law enforcement agencies; to the speedy deportation of illegal immigrants; and to the practice of sending “no matchâ€
    NO AMNESTY

    Don't reward the criminal actions of millions of illegal aliens by giving them citizenship.


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    This is a different attitude for the S.D.U.T.
    NO AMNESTY

    Don't reward the criminal actions of millions of illegal aliens by giving them citizenship.


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    Now, Democrats and their supporters are poised to make similar mistakes. Given President Barack Obama's support for comprehensive immigration reform, those on the left might have a shot at achieving earned legalization for millions of illegal immigrants, provided those immigrants pay fines, learn English, undergo criminal background checks, go to the back of the line and meet other conditions. That's an argument they can win, especially since anti-immigration advocates don't have much of a counter argument.
    How many will pass a criminal background check? How thorough will a background check be? Will the ones who FAIL the checks be deported? How about the ones who've been here decades and still can't speak English? I'd vote for deporting them.

    When the ones who FAIL the criminal background check are deported, will the bleeding heart OBLers continue to whine about how we're "separating" families?

    When the ones who pass go to the "back of the line" will they continue to be taking American taxpayer paid freebies? That's not the back of the line. It's also an insult to green card holders who are not getting the same. Many Americans also don't. So how is that punishment?

    I think I can come up with tons of counter-arguments to this drivel. How about you?
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    The bottom line is that CIR is an amnesty....anything less than deportation is a de facto amnesty. The illegals have to repatriate either on their own or by forcible deportation and apply for any number of the over 70 types of visas at the local U.S. consult their nation of origin.

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    That's an argument they can win, especially since anti-immigration advocates don't have much of a counter argument.
    Don't have much of an argument, huh? First there is no differntiation between legal and illegal immigration in that sentence. How about the pressure on the natural resources of this country like adding more mouths to consume our limited water supply (like having a well run dry as Pablo down the street is washing his car every day, because he doesn't understand enough English to know there is a drought)? How about states on the verge of bankruptcy because those being paid under the table do not pay taxes, but cost schools time and money to teach ESL and need to expand because of all the illegal kids? Emergency rooms being used for primary care emergencies like hangnails, unlicensed and uninsured drivers threatening our lives, kids grabbing spots in colleges that should go to Americans just because of their "minority" status, food stamps, rent assistance and even visa holders doing jobs "Americans won't do" while the American taxpayers are jobless, undoubtedly they cost too much. So what delusional train of thought can make a sound basis when those that funds all the social programs are no longer able to pay their taxes?
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    This was from the UT?????

    Well, good for them.
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    The first half of this editorial is bunk.
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