Thread: 'Lockdown' rules keep immigrants' kids from playing outside

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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... ory?page=1

Some landlords won't allow children to play outside in their complexes, citing noise, unruly conduct.
By Jennifer Delson, Times Staff Writer
November 19, 2006


The weary mother of three, wearing hand-me-down sweatpants and a faded T-shirt, nearly dropped the basket of clothes when she saw the notice on the aging apartment complex laundry door in Santa Ana.

The thick capital letters seemed to speak directly to her: "ALL CHILDREN WILL NO LONGER BE ALLOWED TO PLAY OUTSIDE … "

Maria Gomez, 33, scurried back to her two-bedroom apartment and her three children, ages 7, 9 and 13, with the news. Her mind flashed back to when her last landlord evicted the family for breaking similar rules.

Gomez, like thousands of others across Southern California, lives in an apartment complex that caters to large immigrant families and bans children from playing on apartment grounds. Landlords impose fines and even evict tenants whose children play outside. Even though such punishments often violate housing laws, tenants say they feel powerless to complain for fear of losing their apartment or — in some cases — having their illegal immigration status exposed.

Families "are living under lockdown in many apartment complexes," said Elizabeth Pierson, president and chief executive officer of the Fair Housing Council of Orange County. "Fining families and other overly egregious acts against families is becoming more common."

Apartment managers and landlords say restrictions are needed because immigrant families often allow their children to play unsupervised. Noisy, unruly children can create liability problems for the landlords and discourage prospective tenants from moving in, they say.

Parents "shove the kid out the door and expect the manager to watch over their kids," said landlord Ray Maggi, who owns a large apartment building in Santa Ana where he made a playground for tenants.

"In the Hispanic culture, they have more children and they are more apt to let them run loose. We don't see that in many complexes where there is ... a greater cross-section of people."

Restrictions "come out of frustration," he said. "Managers don't want to overly discipline kids. But they need to respond when there's no supervision by parents."

The nonprofit Housing Rights Center in Los Angeles received 254 complaints related to landlords' bans on children's activities in 2005. In Orange County, about 50 such complaints were received by the Orange County Fair Housing Council in the fiscal year ending June 30.

The federal Fair Housing Act and the California Fair Employment and Housing Act prohibit discrimination against families.

Landlords can't lawfully ban children from playing on the apartment grounds, legal experts say, though they can prohibit all tenants from using the outdoor space.

Yet in many cases, children are the targets of notices to tenants. In a recent letter to tenants at the Avalon Townhouse Apartments in Tustin, manager Ginny Mueller said children could no longer play outside.

"Due to all the candy wrappers, cups … gum, trash, etc…. all children will no longer be allowed to play outside of their rental unit," Mueller wrote. "Parents, you need to teach your children to have respect for themselves and others."

Mueller and employer Sterling Property Management did not return calls seeking comment.

In other apartment complexes, children are banned from playing outside at any time or must abide by curfews. Fines can range from $25 to $150 for infractions, according to tenants at several apartment complexes. Other times, managers ask parents on month-to-month leases to leave within 30 days.

"What is going on with these kids is completely unfair," said Cristina Jose, director of family programs at Latino Health Access, a nonprofit organization in Santa Ana. "We know our kids are supposed to exercise but there is no place to do it. How are they supposed to exercise, jump on the couch?"

That's the concern of Maria Sotelo, 32, who works nights while her husband works days.

Sotelo said she was willing to risk fines and eviction for letting her children play in her Tustin apartment complex. The children play on several long concrete paths, a 16-square-foot plot of grass, as well as on communal staircases."What else can I do?" Sotelo asked. "Walk around with no sleep? Keep them indoors?"

Sotelo said it was too far for the children, ages 6 and 8, to go to the nearest park, about a mile away, by themselves.

She said she had been warned about her children playing and had been fined $75 when they damaged shrubs while playing in common areas of her complex. She said she couldn't move because she didn't have deposit money for another place.

The Apartment Assn. of Orange County attempts to show landlords and managers how to walk the fine line between control and discrimination. The association conducts fair housing classes for landlords and resident managers.

"There is an industrywide push to make sure the good landlords and managers are doing things that are not discriminatory," said Dean Zarkos, association president. "Rules and kids are one aspect of that."

The Fair Housing Council recently helped two Garden Grove tenants settle a housing discrimination lawsuit alleging that they were harassed and fined $25 when their children played outside. Bertram Property Management made no admission of liability or wrongdoing and settled the case for $125,000.

In another complaint, construction worker Rosalino Mora, the father of three children, told federal officials that a property manager at the Trinidad apartment complex in Tustin made racist comments while trying to enforce a ban on children playing. During those exchanges, Mora told HUD officials, the manager often suggested that Mora "go back to Tijuana" and threatened to call immigration officials.

"I was afraid to go and pay the rent," said Mora, who received a $11,000 settlement from his landlord. "My children didn't even make noise. They just didn't want children in the complex."

Trinidad apartment staff did not return repeated calls seeking comment.

Residents and their advocates said tenants often were subjected to hardball tactics by apartment managers enforcing the ban on playing.

One Los Angeles apartment manager chased after children with a garden hose, said Frances Espinoza, executive director of the nonprofit Housing Rights Center in Los Angeles.

The manager of the Park Place Apartments in Tustin listed in a letter to parents on Feb. 8 the apartment numbers of the children who violated rules.

"My patience has run out with your children," she wrote. "This is my final notice to you, the parent, if you would like to continue living here …."

In a Santa Ana complex on Bristol Street, a manager blew a whistle to get all children inside at 7 p.m. and when they misbehaved. In May, the property was purchased and a new manager replaced her.

"Everyone complained when she was here," said resident Yadira Mondragon, as her two toddlers ran from the apartment to the complex's playground equipment. "But now that she's gone, we all want her back."

Neighbor Adriana Lopez agrees. Her apartment is well-ordered and has a large wide-screen television, bar and pool table. She appreciates order in and out of the apartment and said many parents allowed their small children too much freedom.

She was dismayed that after the whistle-blowing stopped, graffiti appeared on the bottom of the complex's pool and the grassy areas became unkempt.

"What she did was to create a limit for these kids," Lopez said.

In the meantime, at Gomez's complex, tenants have formally complained to the Fair Housing Council about the ban on play and the council is gathering information to determine if legal action can be taken.

"It's really hard to tell your children they can't go outside," Gomez said. "We want to be good tenants. We are worried we will be thrown out again."

Hi Texas Cow Girl,

Well pass the crying towel. Sheesh.
They can go back to Mexico and let their kids play any damn where they please.

Gimme a break! These damn illegals DEMAND taxpayer solutions to their damn problems, while all they gotta do is go back to Mexico.

Damn narcotics dealers' kids. Illegals, give your narcotics to your own damn kids."

TexasCowGirl, did you post that just to "stir the pot?"

I have never seen children so undisciplined. They are little banshees. At my complex, there would be toddlers running around the parking lot screaming at midnight.

"...California crumbles into the sea..."

Steely Dan was right

Fined $11,000 for threatening someone with enforcing
federal law!!!!

That's the concern of Maria Sotelo, 32, who works nights while her husband works days.

Sotelo said she was willing to risk fines and eviction for letting her children play in her Tustin apartment complex. The children play on several long concrete paths, a 16-square-foot plot of grass, as well as on communal staircases."What else can I do?" Sotelo asked. "Walk around with no sleep? Keep them indoors?"

Sotelo said it was too far for the children, ages 6 and 8, to go to the nearest park, about a mile away, by themselves.

This woman comes home , pushes two little kids outdoors, and goes to sleep? The manager should collect all un-attended kids in the complex and call Child Services. Beats paying $125000 fine.

This woman comes home , pushes two little kids outdoors, and goes to sleep?

Wow. That's asking for trouble.

I'd like to point out that just today, my neighbor and I had to call our kids in because an illegal alien was "hanging around" down the street.

Sorry, I'm out of violins.

My kids are used to lockdowns at school. They have several every year. It's always because of the police chasing someone in the vicinity of their schools. I am sure some of the lockdowns are due to illegal aliens in the area. They just had one last week and could not be released from school for an extra 45 minutes to an hour after the bell rang at the end of the day.

Stir the pot? I didn't mean to. I posted it because it's a perfect example of the hypocracy of the "Family Values" they are always preaching. Just because you can pop kids out doesn't mean you have a great family.

How about a rule stating that children of illegal aliens may not play on US soil?

Hi Texas Cowgirl

Originally Posted by TexasCowgirl

Stir the pot? I didn't mean to.

Naw, I was just messing with you. I think it can be said that this whole website exists (among other things) to "stir the pot" in politicians faces.
Cheers,
Coto