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    MD:Battle Over Illegal Alien School Children Continues

    Battle over immigrant schoolchildren continues

    Frederick commissioner wants to bill federal government for cost of educating illegal immigrants

    by Margarita Raycheva | Staff Writer

    The battle over illegal immigration continues in Frederick County this week, with the latest iteration involving school children who are in the country illegally.

    At issue is whether or not the Frederick Board of County Commissioners can ask the Frederick Board of Education to count the number of students who cannot document their immigration status.

    The county school board has refused, so commissioners have asked the Maryland State Board of Education if school systems can collect that kind of information.

    The school system — which hired the law firm of Knight, Manzi, Nussbaum and LaPlaca in Prince George's County to represent it on this matter — last week asked the state board to either disregard the commissioners' request or state that school systems cannot legally ask students to provide documents for information proving their immigration status.

    "These matters are clearly outside the jurisdiction of the state board," wrote Andrew W. Nussbaum in a response to the state board dated Nov. 24.

    He asked the state board to dismiss the request because it would require the Maryland State Board of Education to interpret issues governed by federal and immigration law.

    "It would be a ‘regulation of immigration' that would force school officials to act as immigration agents," Nussbaum wrote. "… It would restrict education funding to those students who could ‘support' the ‘proposition' that they are ‘legal;' and it would directly conflict with the federal immigration law and procedures."

    Last spring, Commissioner John "Lennie" Thompson Jr. (R) unsuccessfully proposed that the county withhold money from the school system unless it reported the exact number of students who are in the country illegally.

    Thompson wants to know the number to determine how much the school system spends educating illegal immigrants. His hope is that the federal government could reimburse the county for that amount.

    Frederick County Public Schools spent $10,157 per child in 2006-07, the most recent year for which figures are available.

    "I don't want to know the identity of these students, I don't want to know anything else, I just want the bulk number," he said.

    School system officials, however, said they cannot legally ask students to prove their immigration status. They pointed to the 1982 Plyler v. Doe case in Texas, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that municipalities must pay to educate all their residents regardless of their immigration status.

    "Bottom line for us, as educators is: Every child deserves an opportunity to fulfill their potential, and in our country public education offers that opportunity, no matter what the parents' citizenship status might be," Marita Loose, spokeswoman for the school system, said in an e-mail to The Gazette on Monday. "Children should not be penalized for possible misconduct of their parents."

    This fall, however, commissioners unanimously voted to ask the Maryland State Board of Education to determine if a school system can require students to provide information and documents proving they are not illegal. County commissioners said they just wanted information on the issue. At the time, some of them acknowledged the fact that their questions may be outside the jurisdiction of the Maryland State Board of Education.

    However, Thompson who proposed the action, said the issue was related to state educational laws and was not outside the state board's jurisdiction.

    He said that if Frederick County schools can ask students to fill in information about their country of origin and their race on their report cards, they can also ask for a birth certificate, citizenship papers or any other documents proving that a student is in the country legally.

    "The Board of Education is siding with these who are in the country illegally," he said. "I'm not saying don't educate them, I'm just saying count them."

    Thompson said he was concerned that the school system is now using taxpayers' dollars to hire an attorney to "advocate for the rights of illegal immigrants."

    He said he plans to file a Freedom of Information Act request in January in order to find out how much the school system spent on hiring an outside firm to handle the issue in front of the Maryland State Board of Education.

    Thompson, who is an attorney, said he drafted the commissioners' petition to the state board for free, so the county did not spent taxpayers' money.

    Thompson also pointed out that the state board can choose not to respond to the commissioners' initial petition. If that happens, he said he would address his questions to federal officials.

    Neither Nussbaum nor Loose were available on Wednesday to comment on the issue.

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    If it looks like the commissioner is coming out on top, I can guarantee there will be lots of small businesses sprouting up in the fake document process.
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    The Board of Education is siding with these who are in the country illegally," he said. "I'm not saying don't educate them, I'm just saying count them."



    That's right. And if I recall correctly, the law says NOTHING about it being against the law to count the number of illegal alien students. It merely says that they must be educated.

    What's the school board afraid of......losing funding by scaring IAs out of the distrcit? The outrage of taxpayers to find out how much is being spent to educate individuals who are breaking the law? A little of both?
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    "The Board of Education is siding with these who are in the country illegally," he said. "I'm not saying don't educate them, I'm just saying count them."
    I say count them AND DONT EDUCATE THEM. I am sick and tired of paying taxes to educate kids who shouldnt even be in our country. I might as well send all my taxes to Timbuktu.
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    I say if the states are being forced to educated these children the politicians and the taxpayers have a right as a free state to do what ever they need to do, to find out the cost.

    The federal government can stuff it, they are sherking their duty! NO more state tax money until they fullfill their duty to state officials. PERIOD

    COUNT THE DAMN ILLEGAL ALIENS!!
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    I don't understand why we feel we must justify our thoughts on this issue. This is our country, our money, our children, etc. Even though they are innocent children in this matter, it still is illegal and if the parents know that their children will not be educated here, maybe the fathers will leave the wife and children home and they can send them their monry. It will be money not spent here in the good ole US, but it will be much cheaper than having to pay for their education, healthcare and using our natural resources. Our highways will be less crowded so our infrastructure will stay strong longer and just because they have a license does not mean they know how to drive. The worst drivers are the mexicans and the asians. legal or otherwise.

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    this is how it's done and it's all done on your dime America ....No child left behind was nothing more than a money grab by the Federal Government, from your taxes and very little of it trickles down to the schools

    forcing your children to dumb down... while you unwittingly pay for it
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    I think many of those elected to local and state office have no clue what they are doing. While Collier County FL demanded any developer pay a fee for things like fire departments and schools that increased housing population would need, about $1500 per home, Lee County did not demand anything of the developers. Collier's school budget was $9 million richer in one year, while Lee was cutting staff and teacher pay.
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    Immigrant count may move forward
    Originally published December 07, 2008


    By Meg Tully
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    A state lawmaker is considering sponsoring a proposal to count the number of illegal immigrants attending Frederick County Public Schools.
    Delegate Rick Weldon, who is unaffiliated and represents Frederick and Washington counties, said at a public hearing Saturday that he's thinking about introducing the measure.

    That proposal was one of dozens of topics raised at Saturday's hearing at Winchester Hall ranging from charter school approvals, to taxes, to a proposed power line. The delegation holds these hearings annually to allow the public to speak on any matter that may come before state lawmakers.

    The count proposal would require the Frederick County Public Schools to gather the data and report it to the county commissioners once a year. No child would be denied an education as a result of the count.

    Republican Commissioner John L. Thompson Jr. earlier proposed the count, but it failed to get the support of a majority of the five-member commissioners board.

    Rather than dropping the matter, Thompson persuaded Commissioner Charles Jenkins and Sheriff Chuck Jenkins, both Republicans, to sign on in asking a Frederick County state lawmaker to do it instead.

    Both Thompson and the sheriff testified at the hearing. Commissioner Charles Jenkins was present but did not speak.

    Thompson said counting the number of students who are in the country illegally will allow the county to ask the federal government for more education dollars.

    "If the federal government is not interested in keeping reasonable security on the borders, and just about anyone can come in, then the federal government should be the one to absorb the consequences of that," Thompson said.

    He called the Board of Education "soft on illegal immigration" for opposing the count.

    Board of Education vice president Bonnie Borsa could not be reached for comment Saturday afternoon, but the Board of Education has sent a letter to the Maryland State Board of Education objecting to the commissioners inquiring into the legality of such a count.

    The county attorney will respond to that letter by Dec. 15.

    Even though the legality of a count is in dispute, the three supporters of the count have been trying to find a sponsor who will introduce it.

    "We need those numbers, we need that information," the sheriff said. "It's a fiscal impact issue."

    Weldon is the only one who has publicly expressed interest in supporting it.

    "What is it we're afraid of when it comes to gathering data?" he asked at the hearing.

    Afterward, Weldon said he thinks there are some clarifications that need to be made to the bill before he would introduce it. Some of those clarifications include stating that children will still be provided an education and that people who didn't answer the question would be considered part of the group whose legal presence cannot be established.


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    Excuse me, let me clarify something here...WE THE PROPLE ARE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!!!

    It is our tax money no mattter where it comes from...the difference is YOU are forceing me to pay for your state not enforcing its laws....

    BUT I must agree with you on this one, they should count every school across the country, BUT you see they don't want us to have that information Because they know we are going to be pissed and demand changes in the laws.

    As we are trying to do with birth right citizenship that seems to be going no where.
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