Thread: Mexican shelters filling with southbound deportees

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Illegal immigration drops sharply along U.S.-Mexico border

By: TRACI CARL - Associated Press

TECATE, Mexico -- Mexican shelters, usually the last stop for northbound migrants, are filling with southbound deportees. Fewer migrants are crossing in the wind-swept deserts along an increasingly fortified border. Far to the north, fields are empty at harvest time as workplace raids become more common.

Mexicans are increasingly giving up on the American dream and staying home, and the federal crackdown on undocumented workers announced Friday should discourage even potential migrants from taking the risks as the United States purges itself of its illegal population.
U.S. border agents detained 55,545 illegal migrants jumping over border walls, walking through the desert and swimming across the Rio Grande River between October and June. That's down 38 percent for the entire border compared to the same period a year before.


U.S. and Mexican officials say increased border security, including 6,000 National Guard troops, remote surveillance technology and drone planes, have thwarted smugglers who had succeeded for years at beating the system.

Migrants also say they feel Americans are increasingly hostile toward immigrants.

"It's the discrimination," said 28-year-old George Guevara, who was deported to Tijuana last month after living in the U.S. for 18 years. "It's making people step back. It's just too much of a risk. It's better to be out here."

Guevara, who speaks perfect English and has only distant memories of Mexico, was living at a Tijuana migrant shelter filled with deportees, many of whom are Mexican-born but find themselves in a country that is foreign to them.

"I barely remember living here," Guevara said. "But I see this as an opportunity. I'm going to go back to Guadalajara to see my family and forget what happened."

While some migrants try to set up new lives, others are caught between two worlds. Salvador Perez still has a pregnant wife and three small children in Bakersfield, Calif., where he worked on a pistachio ranch before he was deported. He's tried to cross the rocky, snake-infested mountains near Tecate three times this summer to get back to them, but failed each time.

"I want to try again, but I'm scared something will happen," Perez said.

The biggest drop in Border Patrol detentions -- a 68 percent decrease -- was in the remote, heat-seared desert surrounding Yuma, Ariz., once popular with smugglers. Border Patrol spokesman Jeremy Chappell credits the additional troops and tougher security.

"Where an alien before was able to sneak across, now he has the National Guard watching him," Chappell said.

The only area that has seen an increase -- 1.5 percent -- is the San Diego sector, which runs along the California border and includes the harsh, roadless desert surrounding Tecate. The Border Patrol has responded with helicopters and increased intelligence from detained migrants.

Crossing there requires hiking up to six miles, scrambling over or under the border fence, then walking some more, usually in the dead of night. The region is difficult to patrol, making it one of the few places migrants believe they can still get through.

That's why 22-year-old Romeo, a Salvadoran who refused to give his last name for fear of reprisals, was in Tecate's town square after failing twice to sneak into El Paso, Texas, once in a car and once on foot. He was flown back to El Salvador each time.

"They tell me this is the best place to cross, but it isn't easy anywhere," Romeo said.

Deportations also are up for illegal immigrants who have lived in the States for years. Some are caught for minor infractions like a burned-out headlight. Others are rounded up in workplace raids that the Bush administration has vowed to intensify.

The new measures announced Friday will force employers to fire anyone who cannot prove their Social Security numbers are legitimate.

U.S. employers are already complaining, especially those in agriculture, where most workers are believed to be working with false documents. On a recent visit to Mexico, Washington Gov. Chris Gregoire said some crops are already rotting in the fields for lack of workers.

Many employers join President Bush in blaming Congress for stalling an accord that would allow more people to work legally.

"Pretty shortly people are going to be knocking on people's doors saying `Man we're running out of workers,"' Bush said.

Mexican President Felipe Calderon also lashed out Thursday. "The U.S. Congress, which today turns its back on reality, knows full well that the American economy could not move forward without the labor of Mexicans," he said.

Fewer Mexicans are sending home cash remittances -- Mexico's biggest source of foreign income after oil -- leaving many Mexican relatives with no other resources, the Inter-American Development Bank reported Wednesday.

Despite all this, some migrants are still trying to beat the odds.

Isaac Mendiola, 41, mapped out how he would cross near Tecate.

"We start walking about 7 p.m., hit the Golden Casino on Highway 8 by 4 a.m.," Mendiola explained. "Then we call this Indian guy from the reservation, and pay him $200 to take us to Oceanside, Calif. An American lady gets us past the checkpoint for another $200. Then we take public buses to Disneyland, and we are in L.A."

Still, even Mendiola wants to work in construction for only two more years, then return to Mexico to run a convenience store his family has opened with the money earned up north.

"Crossing is getting a lot harder now," he said. "You gotta stop sometime. This year and next, and boom, I'm done."

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This is the real reason Calderon is screaming like a stuck pig:

Fewer Mexicans are sending home cash remittances -- Mexico's biggest source of foreign income after oil...

Mexico's economy is about to take a hit. But hey, they say all this cheap labor is good for our economy so Mexico should be wanting their people back home and working.

Dixie

"Pretty shortly people are going to be knocking on people's doors saying `Man we're running out of workers,"' Bush said.

Mexican President Felipe Calderon also lashed out Thursday. "The U.S. Congress, which today turns its back on reality, knows full well that the American economy could not move forward without the labor of Mexicans," he said.

I have a feeling "Pretty shortly people are going to be knocking on King George W's door saying `Man we need to impeach this nut case Austa La Bye - Bye man that will be a happy day

I have a feeling Mexican President Felipe Calderon is another corrupt politician thats driving poor Mexico into the ground ...

how about you cleaning up your back yard before you look over the fence into mine and the crowd says

Somebody throw this man a bone

Another Goony Goo Goo Politician

Originally Posted by redpony353

The new measures announced Friday will force employers to fire anyone who cannot prove their Social Security numbers are legitimate.

U.S. employers are already complaining, especially those in agriculture, where most workers are believed to be working with false documents. On a recent visit to Mexico, Washington Gov. Chris Gregoire said some crops are already rotting in the fields for lack of workers.

Many employers join President Bush in blaming Congress for stalling an accord that would allow more people to work legally.

"Pretty shortly people are going to be knocking on people's doors saying `Man we're running out of workers,"' Bush said.

Mexican President Felipe Calderon also lashed out Thursday. "The U.S. Congress, which today turns its back on reality, knows full well that the American economy could not move forward without the labor of Mexicans," he said.

Fewer Mexicans are sending home cash remittances -- Mexico's biggest source of foreign income after oil -- leaving many Mexican relatives with no other resources, the Inter-American Development Bank reported Wednesday.

I just wanna make sure I get this...
Mexico - whose economy is in the ... toilet...is going to tell us we're destroying ours by cutting out his citizens and workers.

I'm thoroughly convinced there is something seriously wrong with this picture.

Why in the HE!! do we need hoards of illegals in this country to advance our own economy???

Employers - Get Legal or Get Out Of Business!!!

Quit your whining about not having cheap labor in the fields - and pay a living wage and a benefit or two to the American Worker needing a job! You'll have more than enough labor in the fields!!
And there are sufficient AgVISAs available - they're just tightening up the control and accountability on them!!!
Most Americans will suffer through the less than estimated 5% cost increases that might cost them to know you're hiring legal citizens!

And i take no small comfort knowing that they're cleaning up the Social Security Number abuse and frauds!! How many of our children and grandchildren's numbers are in use - today - by someone who bought it??
These kids won't find out they have a tax liability until they're 16 and get a job or 17 and file for a Student Loan.
We have it within our capabilities to fix that problem - through strict enforcement!!

Now is the time to
STOP THE INSANITY!!

Why in the HE!! do we need hoards of illegals in this country to advance our own economy???

I’ve asked this question over and over and never gotten a reasonable response. There is much conversation about the millions of people around the world who are applying for entry to the U.S. They have done it honorably and in accordance with the rules set out by our government. It seems to me every time an illegal is deported it just opens up a slot for one of those applicants.

The only argument I can make against my hypothesis is that it does not comport with the plans for a North American Union??

While some migrants try to set up new lives, others are caught between two worlds. Salvador Perez still has a pregnant wife and three small children in Bakersfield, Calif.,

Bleepin' backward idiots! A pregnant wife and 3 small kids??? Are these people missing a part of their brains? They're bleepin' poor, and they just spit out the babies...aaaargh!!!

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On a recent visit to Mexico, Washington Gov. Chris Gregoire said some crops are already rotting in the fields for lack of workers.

What a crock.....show me a picture of rotting fields. We are growing too much anyway. Here's an article from Dr. Sowell that talks about this ag surplus...


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Every aspect of the current immigration bill, and of the arguments made for it, has Fraud written all over it.

The first, and perhaps biggest, fraud is the argument that illegal aliens are "doing jobs Americans won't do." There are no such jobs.

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Even in the sector of the economy in which illegal immigrants have the highest representation -- agriculture -- they are just 24 percent of the workers. Where did the other 76 percent come from, if these are jobs that Americans won't do?

The argument that illegal agricultural workers are "making a contribution to the economy" is likewise misleading.

For well over half a century, this country has had chronic agricultural surpluses which have cost the taxpayers billions of dollars a year to buy, store, and try to get rid of on the world market at money-losing prices.

If there were fewer agricultural workers and smaller agricultural surpluses, the taxpayers would save money.

What about illegal immigrants working outside of agriculture? They are a great bargain for their employers, because they are usually hard-working people who accept low pay and don't cause any trouble on the job.

But they are no bargain for the taxpayers who cover their medical bills, the education of their children and the costs of imprisoning those who commit a disproportionate share of crime.

Analogies with immigrants who came to this country in the 19th century and early 20th century are hollow, and those who make such analogies must know how different the situation is today.

People who crossed an ocean to get here, many generations ago, usually came here to become Americans. There were organized efforts within their communities, as well as in the larger society around them, to help them assimilate.

Today, there are activists working in just the opposite direction, to keep foreigners foreign, to demand that society adjust to them by making everything accessible to them in their own language, minimizing their need to learn English.

As activists are working hard to keep alive a foreign subculture in so-called "bilingual" and other programs, they are also feeding the young especially with a steady diet of historic grievances about things that happened before the immigrants got here -- and before they were born.

These Balkanization efforts are joined by other Americans as part of the "multicultural" ideology that pervades the education system, the media, and politics.

The ease with which people can move back and forth between the United States and Mexico -- as contrasted with those who made a one-way trip across the Atlantic in earlier times -- reduces still further the likelihood that these new immigrants will assimilate and become an integral part of the American society as readily as many earlier immigrants did.

Claims that the new immigration bill will have "tough" requirements, including learning English, have little credibility in view of the way existing laws are not being enforced.

What does "learning English" mean? I can say "arrivederci" and "buongiorno" but does that mean that I speak Italian?

Does anyone expect a serious effort to require a real knowledge of English from a government that captures people trying to enter the country illegally and then turns them loose inside the United States with instructions to report back to court -- which of course they are not about to do?

Another fraudulent argument for the new immigration bill is that it would facilitate the "unification of families." People can unify their families by going back home to them. Otherwise every illegal immigrant accepted can mean a dozen relatives to follow.

"What can we do with the 12 million people already here illegally?" is the question asked by amnesty supporters. We can stop them from becoming 40 million or 50 million, the way 3 million illegals became 12 million after the previous amnesty.

The most fundamental question of all has not been asked: Who should decide how many people, with what qualifications and prospects, are to be admitted into this country? Is that decision supposed to be made by anyone in Mexico who wants to come here?

Aside from the agriculture industry, the illegal hordes bloat the housing bubble. Who is going to occupy all of the structures being built? Also to divide the American people, to introduce a threatening violent element in order inject fear into the general population. Also to gain cheap labor, not only in agriculture, but in all industries from IT to Hospitality to Medicine. To create a global society modeled after the UN; the NAU. To destroy the constitution, to make Americans third world slaves or worse.

Since the formation of the Federal Reserve, how many wars? What American Companies have instigated and profited there? They are still doing it today, only getting closer to total world dominance. Did you read where an American company is providing China with RFID technology to use against the population on a massive scale? Just like IBM, Ford, GM, et al, and Germany...

Why do they waste time and money on these things a "billboard" asking the same people committing crimes to stop???

What?

Simply solution arrest and deport non stop till every last one leaves or is incarcerated.

Problem solved.

Billboards......