Thread: Mexico ties flooding in Nogales to U.S. BP built wall

Mexico ties flooding in Nogales to U.S. Border Patrol-built wall
By Brady McCombs
Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 07.23.2008

Mexican officials say a concrete barrier constructed by the U.S. Border Patrol in a storm-water tunnel beneath Nogales appears to be on Mexican soil and was the main cause of serious flooding July 12 in Nogales, Sonora.

The flooding caused about $8 million in damage in Nogales, Sonora, the officials say.

The 5-foot-high wall on the floor of the tunnel in front of a gate was put in without notifying the International Boundary and Water Commission, said Sally Spener, spokeswoman for the U.S. section of the commission. The commission requests that any agency doing work on the border that could affect storm drainage send it plans.

"We do have concerns about structures that are placed on the international boundary that could affect storm-water flow," Spener said.

The U.S. side of the commission hasn't yet determined if the barrier caused the flooding, Spener said. It's important to remember the Mexican side of the tunnel was old and in poor condition, she said.

A delegation from the commission, including Commissioner Carlos Marin, was en route to Nogales on Tuesday.

While in Arizona, the delegation will be analyzing whether the structure is in Mexico, what role it played in the flood and what should be done to remedy the situation, she said.

Officials with the Mexican section of the commission say the barrier reduced the flow of storm water through the tunnel by 40 percent, said Jesús Quintanar, a representative in Nogales of the Mexican side of the commission. The barrier was put up in January by the Border Patrol without letting anyone else know, he said.

Border Patrol officials in the Tucson Sector referred questions to headquarters, but a message to that office got no reply.
Although built in the 1930s to channel storm runoff and prevent flooding, the tunnel beneath Nogales has been used for decades by smugglers as an avenue into the United States.

In recent years, the Border Patrol has erected two sets of heavy steel doors, designed to open when the tunnel fills with water, to make it more difficult to cross through the tunnel. There are also cameras and sensors to alert the Border Patrol when somebody is trying to cross.

The monsoon rains usually cause damage to the gates or cameras and sensors, making it easier for illegal immigrants daring enough to enter the tunnel during the rainy season. But on July 12, when heavy rains fell in the border region, the new concrete barrier served as a bottleneck, causing the water to fill up on the Mexican side of the channel and pressure the aging structure, Quintanar said.

"We can affirm, with scientific and technical data, that it obstructed the flow of water," said Quintanar. "It diminished the hydraulic capacity of the wash and caused the upper slabs of the wash to break, along with the pavement on Calle Elias, and the water flooded out."

A concrete aboveground border wall east of the wash further escalated the damage by stopping the water that spilled onto Calle Internacional and Calle Elias from flowing into the United States. The barrier in the wash, however, was the catalyst for the flood, he said.

The $8 million in damage caused by the flood includes damage to 578 homes and 45 cars, Mexican officials say. State officials have declared the damaged part of the city a disaster zone.

Two days after the flooding, U.S. officials found the bodies of two people in the wash. They suspect they were illegal immigrants trying to get through the tunnel the evening of the flooding.

After a meeting last week with the mayors from Nogales, Ariz., and Nogales, Sonora, federal officials gave permission for the cities to remove 1 1/2 feet from the concrete wall, said Octavio Garcia-Von Borstel, mayor of Nogales, Ariz.

The Border Patrol denied the requests to remove the barrier completely but didn't say why, said Marco Antonio MartÃ*nez Dabdoub, mayor of Nogales, Sonora.

Using equipment from Nogales, Ariz., and workers from Nogales, Sonora, the cities finished the work over the weekend, Garcia-Von Borstel said.
Removing some of the barrier might help slightly but is not enough to prevent future flooding in heavy rains, said Quintanar and MartÃ*nez Dabdoub.

"Until the wall is completely demolished, it will continue to be a concern for both countries," said Quintanar.

Garcia-Von Borstel supports the federal government's decision to limit the reduction of the barrier by 1 1/2 feet because he knows the wall was put in to prevent drug smuggling. Plus, he's doesn't necessarily agree that the barrier was the catalyst for the flooding.

"I think it was a combination of things together that landed us where we land today," said Garcia-Von Borstel.

At the same time, he said he would support the complete removal of the barrier to allow for better water flow. If the structure turns out to be in Mexico, MartÃ*nez Dabdoub said Mexico would demolish the barrier.

He said it appears as though the barrier is about three to five feet into Mexico, although he admitted it's difficult to make a definitive assessment because the international boundary runs diagonally in the wash.

MartÃ*nez Dabdoub said he's also evaluating a way for Nogales, Sonora, to get some re- imbursement for property damage from the United States since the barrier appears to have caused the flood.

Quintanar said he sent a report to the International Boundary and Water Commission's main office in Mexico in Ciudad Juárez documenting the damage done by the barrier.

"Irregardless of what country you are in, it's an obstruction to the flow of water," said Quintanar. "This is the commission's concern, that they install things without telling the United States section first so they can consult with the neighboring country."

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I think the real issue here for the Mexican government is that the barrier stop the flood of illegals to the U.S. They would have sent $8 million back to their relatives had they gotten through.

MartÃ*nez Dabdoub said he's also evaluating a way for Nogales, Sonora, to get some re- imbursement for property damage from the United States since the barrier appears to have caused the flood.

How about some re-imbursment for the damage the flood caused here? Flood of illegals that is.

Mexico should demand restitution? Give me a break!

Build more walls = ing a total of 3,000 miles about would be super

Originally Posted by crazybird

How about some re-imbursment for the damage the flood caused here? Flood of illegals that is.

Badda-Bing!!!

Always the "victim card"!

Originally Posted by crazybird

MartÃ*nez Dabdoub said he's also evaluating a way for Nogales, Sonora, to get some re- imbursement for property damage from the United States since the barrier appears to have caused the flood.

How about some re-imbursment for the damage the flood caused here? Flood of illegals that is.

Yup, charge Mexico for all the trash cleanup due to their illegals. They've destroyed parkland creating trails and with their littering.

It's important to remember the Mexican side of the tunnel was old and in poor condition, she said.

Cant Mexico EVER take responsibility for ANYTHING? The poor condition of the Mexican structure was probably the reason why some homes got flooded in Mexico.

America just gave you 1.4 million dollars to help with YOUR drug cartels. We cant keep BAILING Mexico out everytime they have a problem.

International Boundary and Water Commission

To hell with this whatever you want to call it. No one tells the US what to do.