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    Mexico wants probe of tear-gas use by Border Patrol

    Mexico wants probe of tear-gas use by Border Patrol
    By Anna Cearley
    UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
    4:57 p.m. December 14, 2007

    Mexican authorities are asking for a U.S. investigation into what appears to be a series of cases in which pepper spray or tear gas used by Border Patrol agents to fend off rock-throwing smugglers has affected Tijuana residents who live near the border fence.

    Alberto Lozano, spokesman for the Mexican Consulate in San Diego, said Mexican officials have confirmed a Nov. 26 incident in which 11 Tijuana residents received medical attention after being hit by tear gas. The media in Tijuana have reported other cases, but those haven't been confirmed, he said.

    The area in question is Colonia Libertad, a Tijuana neighborhood just east of the San Ysidro port of entry. Smugglers have long favored the location as a springboard.
    Wendi Lee, a spokeswoman for the Border Patrol's San Diego sector, said the agency is aware of the Mexicans' concerns and has been in discussions with them to “find a better solution to combat the crime in our border areas.â€
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    exican authorities are asking for a U.S. investigation into what appears to be a series of cases in which pepper spray or tear gas used by Border Patrol agents to fend off rock-throwing smugglers has affected Tijuana residents who live near the border fence.
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    pepper spray or tear gas used by Border Patrol agents to fend off rock-throwing smugglers has affected Tijuana residents who live near the border fence.


    And the problem is?????

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    Let me get this straight...they can shoot at us, bring in their military against us, throw rocks and s**t at us, but it's a problem when we use tear gas?????? What is wrong with these people?
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    I hope there is a probe and it draws attention to how Mexico is allowing its citizens to abuse our Border Patrol.

    Maybe then Americans will be so outraged our Government will do something about the abuse and force the Mexican Government to crack down on its citizens and do a better job of protecting our BP from attack ! (dream on)




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    No matter the outcome of ANY investigation, they're going to keep & & ing ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, (, )

    the U.S. government is unfair! the U.S. government discriminates!! the U.S. government wants us to obey their laws!!!

    boo, hoo, hoo, hoo, hoo we're so MEAN over here! (, )

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    Border Patrol responds to attacks from Mexico with tear gas, pepper-spray


    Associated Press - December 17, 2007 7:03 PM ET

    SAN DIEGO (AP) - Border Patrol agents are firing tear gas and pepper-spray into Mexico.

    It's an attempt to stop assailants hurling rocks, bottles and bricks at them.

    But border residents caught in the crossfire are outraged, saying they have been forced to evacuate during some of the counter attacks.

    Mexico's acting consul general insists that U.S. authorities stop firing onto Mexican soil. A top Border Patrol official says agents are taking action because Mexican authorities have been slow to respond. He says guards have been attacked nearly 1,000 times during a 1-year period.

    U.S. officials say the violence indicates that smugglers are growing more desperate as stepped-up security makes it harder to sneak across the border. The assailants try to distract agents long enough to let people dash into the U.S.

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    December 17, 2007


    Border Patrol fires tear gas, pepper spray into Mexico in response to rock-hurling attackers

    By: ELLIOT SPAGAT - Associated Press

    SAN DIEGO -- Border Patrol agents are firing tear gas and powerful pepper-spray weapons across the border into Mexico to repel what the agency says are an increasing number of attacks by assailants hurling rocks, bottles and bricks.

    The counteroffensive has drawn complaints that innocent families are being caught in the crossfire.

    "A neighbor shouted, 'Stop it! There are children living here," said Esther Arias Medina, 41, who on Wednesday fled her Tijuana, Mexico, shanty with her 3-week-old grandson after the infant began coughing from smoke that seeped through the walls.


    A helmeted agent on the U.S. side said nothing as he stood with a rifle on top of a 10-foot border fence next to the three-room home that Arias shares with six others.

    "We don't deserve this," Arias said. "The people who live here don't throw rocks. Those are people who come from the outside, but we're paying the price."

    Witnesses in Arias' hardscrabble neighborhood described eight attacks since August that involved tear gas or pepper spray, some that forced residents to evacuate.

    The Border Patrol says its agents have been attacked nearly 1,000 times during a one-year period.

    The agency's top official in San Diego, Mike Fisher, said agents are taking action because Mexican authorities have been slow to respond. When an attack happens, he said, American authorities often wait hours for them to come, and help usually never arrives.

    "We have been taking steps to ensure that our agents are safe," Fisher said.

    Mexico's acting consul general in San Diego, Ricardo Pineda, has insisted that U.S. authorities stop firing onto Mexican soil. He met with Border Patrol officials last month after the agency fired tear gas into Mexico. The agency defended that counterattack, saying agents were being hit with a hail of ball bearings from slingshots in Mexico.

    U.S. officials say the violence indicates that smugglers are growing more desperate as stepped-up security makes it harder to sneak across the border. The assailants try to distract agents long enough to let people dash in the United States.

    The head of a union representing Border Patrol employees said the violence also results from the decision to put agents right up against the border, a departure from the early 1990s when they waited farther back to make arrests.

    "When you get that close to the fence, your agents are sitting ducks," said T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council.

    Border Patrol agents were attacked 987 times along the U.S.-Mexico border during the 12-month period that ended Sept. 30, the agency said. That's up 31 percent from 752 attacks a year earlier, and it's the highest number since the agency began recording attacks in the late 1990s.

    About two-thirds of the attacks were with rocks. Many of the rest involved physical assaults, such as illegal immigrants getting into fist fights with guards.

    About one of every four attacks occurred in San Diego, and most of those happened along a heavily fortified, 10-mile stretch of the border starting at the Pacific Ocean.

    Agent Joseph Ralph estimates he has been struck by rocks 20 times since joining the Border Patrol in 1987, once fracturing a shoulder blade. "You find yourself trying to take cover," he said.

    About four months ago, a large rock struck the hood of agent Ellery Taylor's vehicle. "The only thing you can think is, 'I'm glad that that wasn't my head.' There's no way to see it coming," Taylor said.

    In October, agents in California and Arizona received compressed-air guns that shoot pepper-spray canisters more than 200 feet. Agents already had less powerful pepper-launchers that lose their punch after about 30 feet -- even less if absorbed by thick clothing or cardboard.

    The Border Patrol says the pepper weapons are a less lethal alternative to regular guns, but they have caused at least one fatality. In October 2004, a college student died after she was struck in the eye by a pepper-spray canister that officers fired to control a celebration of the Red Sox's pennant win.

    Border Patrol SWAT teams along the 1,952-mile U.S.-Mexico border are also equipped with tear gas, "flash bombs" that emit blinding light and "sting ball" grenades that disperse hundreds of tiny rubber pellets.

    U.S. officials say the new tactics may spare lives. An agent shot and killed a 20-year-old Mexican man whose arm was cocked back in March in Calexico, Calif., where rock attacks have soared in the last year. Two years ago, an agent fatally shot a rock thrower at the San Diego-Tijuana border.

    No criminal charges were filed in either case.

    Robis Guadalupe Argumedo, a seamstress in Tijuana, said she has been startled by tear gas on four nights since Aug. 7, when her 12-year-old son suffered a nose bleed. That attack also shattered a window of her neighbor's car.

    Argumedo, 31, said she shouted in protest across the border at a helmeted agent on Dec. 8 after opening her front door to a cloud of tear gas. "He said: 'I'm the policeman of the world and I can do what I want."'

    Benito Arias said his 19-year-old sister-in-law fainted during an apparent tear gas attack about two weeks ago. The woman, five months pregnant, was given oxygen at the hospital.

    His father, Jose Arias, fled with his wife a few blocks away, where paramedics checked their blood pressure. He said he sympathizes with the Border Patrol because Mexican authorities do nothing to prevent people from hurling rocks over the fence at agents.

    "This is a matter between government and government," said Arias, 75. "They have to work out an agreement. We are innocent. What can we do about it?"

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