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    The Immigration Debate Can Wait; Healthcare for All Cannot

    The Immigration Debate Can Wait; Healthcare for All Cannot

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    November 10, 2009
    By Eric Rodriguez

    Coverage for the undocumented is the best policy in the long run

    Eric Rodriguez is vice president of the National Council of La Raza, where he heads the Office of Research, Advocacy, and Legislation.

    The fight over legal and undocumented immigrant inclusion in a reformed healthcare system has been brewing for months but has recently intensified. Anti-immigrant politicians have called the president a "liar" over the question of whether or not his plan would give benefits to "illegal aliens." But rather than expose these politicians for fearmongering, honest health-reform negotiators have inadvertently legitimized the claims. Efforts by Senate negotiators to tighten health proposals and prevent unauthorized residents from accessing new benefits now border on the ridiculous. Reformers have overreacted, and desperation for political cover may well take us down a perilous path.

    Anti-immigrant politicians argue that undocumented people should be excluded from the proposed taxpayer-subsidized health insurance exchange. The president agrees, and Senate legislation does exactly this. But the health exchange is a structure, more akin to the Internet and our road systems, not a government benefit. Who would argue we should erect barriers to our roadways for unauthorized workers? Should we also prohibit undocumented immigrants from buying food in a grocery store or medicine at a pharmacy? In both cases, taxpayer dollars are used to support regulation of products sold in these markets. More workers in the health exchange will help control healthcare costs and ensure that Americans are not exploited when purchasing health insurance.

    And what about the more than 1.5 million undocumented children in the United States? Under the Senate healthcare plans, a child who was involuntarily brought to the country at the age of 2, for example, and is now 14, loves the Jonas Brothers, and gets straight A's in school would be prohibited from participating in the exchange.

    Unauthorized workers and children are already barred from Medicaid, and health reform continues the ban. But under current law, if the parents of an undocumented child can afford to buy private insurance with their own money, they can. If the Senate restriction becomes the law of the land, 650,000 undocumented children without health insurance will be effectively barred from the most affordable private health insurance plans available. Health reform would make these children less secure.

    Anti-immigrant politicians further argue that U.S.-born children of immigrants should not be given citizenship. Do you wonder what they believe about providing these American children healthcare? These politicians would punish citizen children and families with a working parent who is unauthorized. Negotiators seem to agree. Reformers would go overboard in crafting a complex web of rules to guarantee that the unauthorized parent of a family of four U.S. citizens cannot possibly benefit from health reform. In effect, the rules could mean that the entire family cannot afford health insurance because of a drastically reduced affordability credit.

    Side by side, the new rules could mean that the government will treat a U.S.-born child of an unauthorized parent as less than a U.S.-born child of U.S. citizen parents. This unequal treatment among U.S.-born children might even be unconstitutional. One can make an argument that those in the country unlawfully should not receive direct government assistance. But no one can reasonably argue that Congress ought to institute laws that directly harm U.S.-born spouses and children of unauthorized workers in order to punish the workers. The cost of this overreaction is that American children and spouses in this boat--some 4 million children are in mixed-status families--could find themselves capsized without affordable healthcare options.

    Politicians--including some who should know better--further argue that some categories of legal immigrants should not have access to Medicaid. Current law prohibits all legal immigrant adults from gaining access to Medicaid during their first five years in the country. To effectuate this, lawmakers have put in place bureaucratic red tape, verification, and citizen documentation rules that have been incontrovertibly proved to be costly and to harm eligible U.S. citizens.

    Confusion over these rules also helps explain why more than 45 percent of all legal, taxpaying immigrants have no health coverage. Rather than fix this problem, health reform could make matters worse. The Senate bill maintains the bar on Medicaid for legal immigrants. True, families may be eligible for the new healthcare exchange, but negotiators are threatening to extend ineffective and burdensome verification and citizen documentation rules to the exchange.

    If Congress caves to these anti-immigrant voices and makes it harder for U.S.-citizen or lawfully present children of immigrants to get health insurance, we ought to know what will happen. Children in these families will not have a regular doctor. Most will not have access to preventive care, diabetes screenings, or flu shots. When a child gets sick or hurt--which will happen--parents will first attempt to administer aid themselves, and when the condition has become unbearable and potentially life-threatening, the parents will have no choice but to take their child to an emergency room for costly care. Is this the health reform we seek for our children?

    There are legitimate policy questions about how we should treat undocumented immigrants in the country. The debate over how to fix our broken immigration system is forthcoming, and those questions will be answered there. The healthcare reform debate is about how we get all workers, families, and children access to affordable, high-quality care.

    Anti-immigrant politicians do have a perspective about immigrants and healthcare that should be heard. But health reformers who adopt their proposals should beware. Anti-immigrant lawmakers seek punishment at any cost, even if it harms the health status of American children and other U.S. citizens. That's a clear path down a treacherous road we should wisely avoid and an ambition the Congress ought not to satisfy.

    Read why healthcare reform calls for fiscal prudence over compassion, by Daniel Stein of the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

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    American people held hostage.

    Healthcare for All Cannot

    And the American people will be forced to pay for illegals/anchors and the gov't can actually pull anyone's health care benefits at any time if they so desire to do so. So an American citizen will be forced to pay for health care that the gov't may decide not to give them and the American will be forced to pay for illegals. This is Unfair, immoral, anti-American.
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    The Immigration Debate Can Wait; Healthcare for All Cannot
    It can all wait....

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    Eric Rodriguez is vice president of the National Council of La Raza, where he heads the Office of Research, Advocacy, and Legislation.
    BS CZAR
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    I don't consider anchor born children my fellow countrymen
    regardless what kind of music or lifestyle they have,
    and we shouldn't have to foot their bill for making parasitic life choices.
    It's communistic wealth distribution pure and simple.

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    They think Americans have an endless supply of money, imagine they refuse to close our borders and the flood keeps comming, this jerk thinks Americans should pay for health care for all...stuff it you want the open border jerk you pay for them!
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    I hardly know where to begin with this (sigh).

    First, children born to illegals should not be automatically given citizenship. Next, illegals and their children should NOT EVEN BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE let alone be collecting medical benies from American taxpayers. Mexico has its own healthcare system and Mexican citizens should be using THAT system, not our system. Children of illegals are not without healthcare...Mexico provides it for their citizens. The problem is the illegal parents are denying access by their children to the Mexican healthcare system by taking them to another country. Mexico should provide them benefits, since "where ever there is a Mexican, there is Mexico."
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    Quote Originally Posted by redpony353
    I hardly know where to begin with this (sigh).

    First, children born to illegals should not be automatically given citizenship. Next, illegals and their children should NOT EVEN BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE let alone be collecting medical benies from American taxpayers. Mexico has its own healthcare system and Mexican citizens should be using THAT system, not our system. Children of illegals are not without healthcare...Mexico provides it for their citizens. The problem is the illegal parents are denying access by their children to the Mexican healthcare system by taking them to another country. Mexico should provide them benefits, since "where ever there is a Mexican, there is Mexico."
    Lets send the bill for all the illegal aliens abusing our health care system, to the Mexican government. Plus the bill for Law Enforcement efforts to detain, ID and deport them back, since Mexico is no help in illegal immigration. The Mexican government needs to step up.
    America <div>Home of the free</div><div>Home of the brave</div><div>Home of 20 million illegal*alien villagers*and counting!*</div>

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    This isn't even about just Mexico, we are talking Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala etc. etc, etc, the whole damn American continent North, Central and South , Not to mention China and all the countrys across the ocean who have been allowed to enter illegally across the So. border and over stayed visa's!

    These people are out of touch with reality!
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    OK, we send the bill to each consulate office from each country the illegal came from. If they do not pay, we shut down the consulate!
    America <div>Home of the free</div><div>Home of the brave</div><div>Home of 20 million illegal*alien villagers*and counting!*</div>

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