Thread: North Carolina now 100% I.C.E. Secure Communities

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

All this means is that they will pretend to deport illegal aliens after they rape, maul, or kill someone.

If the illegals are just selling drugs to our kids, drinking and driving, writing bad checks, stealing things, or breaking into our homes they will be allowed to stay by the Obama administration.

W

With only 1,915 deported from N.C.,
as compared to 10,513 in AZ., 19,152 in TX. and 25,686 in CA.
I can see why you would be disappointed.

the three you mentioned are also border states where the illegals enter the US and with a big population base, i think its to be expected that these three states should be at the top of deportations, too.
I dont think NC has as many illegals as these states

As William basically stated, Secure Communities is weak. The program is mainly designed to catch and deport what ICE considers criminal aliens. Unfortunately, the majority of illegals in this country don't fit their profile of "criminal alien, which is an illegal alien that has committed a felony.

I realize 'any' is better than none, however, I'd like to see federal law enforcement do a lot more to deport illegals that are considered non-criminal (the majority).

Among the records obtained are monthly data for Secure Communities from October 2009 through August 2010.

The records show that during that period, 41,929 people were identified through Secure Communities for deportation, as so-called "removals and returns."

Those people were divided into four categories based on criminal record.

A total of 9,667 -- about 23 percent -- were classified as Level 1 offenders: those convicted of "aggravated felonies such as murder, rape or sexual abuse of a minor."

Another 16,581 -- about 40 percent -- were labeled as Level 2 offenders: those convicted of any felony, or three or more misdemeanors.

A total of 4,621 -- about 11 percent -- were Level 3 offenders: those convicted of crimes punishable by less than one year in prison, typically misdemeanors.

And 11,060 people -- about 26 percent -- had no criminal record at all.
http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-1177561.html

"Under Obama, Illegal Immigrant Deportation Falls To Lowest Level Since 2007

October 7th, 2010 (1) Posted By Pat Dollard.


Washington Times:

President Obama’s new immigration enforcement strategy led to a record number of criminal aliens being deported last year, but removals of other illegal immigrants fell to the lowest rate since 2007, before the Bush administration began a crackdown.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement deported 392,862 aliens in fiscal year 2010, slightly less than a 1 percent increase over 2009 but short of the agency’s goal to remove 400,000 this year.

Still, the administration said its new focus on immigrants with criminal records is paying off, with about half of those deported in 2010 being convicted criminals. In 2009, when 389,834 immigrants were deported, only about one-third of them had criminal records.

“This administration takes very, very seriously the responsibility to secure the borders and enforce immigration laws,â€

387,000 illegal aliens removed in F.Y. 2009
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-182539-ice.html+removes
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February 23, 2011
. . . ICE last year removed more than 392,800 aliens from the United States; of that number, more than 195,700 were aliens with criminal convictions . . .
http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-1188845.html

That would mean that more than half, about 197,100, had no criminal convictions.

Controversial immigration enforcement program goes statewide in North Carolina

By Rebekah L. Cowell, special to Facing South

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) announced last week that all 100 counties in North Carolina have been connected to the Secure Communities program. That makes North Carolina the 10th state to implement the program statewide, along with the border states of Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, California and Florida. The Obama administration has said its goal is to have every state enrolled in the program within the next two years.

While supporters of the program say it's needed to identify and target criminal aliens, immigrant rights advocates raise concerns that it creates distrust between the immigrant community and local police.

Under Secure Communities, individuals arrested by local law enforcement officers are supposed to be fingerprinted and their prints are run through two separate databases -- the FBI's criminal database and ICE's IDENT database. Immigration status is confirmed by "hits" that indicate whether the individual has papers or is undocumented. ICE detains undocumented individuals and takes steps to deport them. ICE says the program "improves and modernizes the identification and removal of criminal aliens from the United States."

Early supporters of Secure Communities in Congress including Rep. David Price (D-N.C.) had hoped that the program would alleviate some of the racial profiling concerns connected to the controversial 287(g) program, which deputized local law enforcement officers as immigration officers and gave them authority to initiate immigration deportation proceedings. During his tenure as chairman of the House Homeland Security Appropriation Committee in the past two congressional sessions, Price said he pressured ICE to adhere to the stated goals of Secure Communities.

"The expansion of Secure Communities is largely responsible for the fact that for the first time in the agency's history, ICE is now removing more criminals than non-criminals from this country," said Price. "Still, there is no question that ICE must continue to sharpen the program's focus on serious criminal offenders, and I will continue to push for that objective as I help oversee the budget for ICE."

Other proponents of the Secure Communities program include the North Carolina Sheriff's Association, whose executive vice president, Edmond Caldwell Jr., does not believe the program present challenges for local law enforcement officers. "The program is important in North Carolina and across America because it provides important information to law enforcement officers about persons who have violated the law and been arrested," Caldwell said.

Price and other supporters of Secure Communities argue that the program represents an improvement over 287(g) because the decision of whether to put someone into deportation proceedings rests with ICE and not local law enforcement. But others wonder whether that distinction will be clear to immigrants.

"I am sure that those who advocate for Secure Communities are sincere when they say that it disengages local law enforcement from immigration enforcement, but all my clients know is that their wife or sister or son were deported after being arrested by a local cop for driving without a license," said Marty Rosenbluth executive director of the N.C. Immigrant Rights Project. "This links local police to ICE and creates fear of the police in the eyes of the community."

There are also questions about whether the program effectively targets criminal aliens, since statistics released by ICE show the majority of immigrants deported through the Secure Communities program were either never convicted of any offense or were convicted of low-level crimes. Consider the experience of Wake County, which became the first North Carolina county to enroll in the program in November 2008: Data released by ICE last month showed that 64 percent of all Secure Communities deportees from Wake County were non-criminal.

"The Secure Communities program was designed to catch convicted felons, but in actuality the program is making a broad sweep across the non-criminal immigrant population," said Rosenbluth.

Despite these concerns, Rep. Price believes that if the Secure Communities program is used as ICE intended then the program is "far more efficient, just, and better for our communities than the system of work-site raids emphasized during the Bush Administration, when we were deporting hundreds of thousands more non-criminals than criminals."

But immigrant rights advocates say this argument misses the point.

"The question that needs to be asked is whether immigrants are being arrested and fingerprinted for offenses where non-immigrants would only receive a citation," Rosenbluth said. "I doubt very much I would be handcuffed and fingerprinted if I left my wallet and license at home and were ticketed for driving without a license. "

http://www.southernstudies.org/2011/03/ ... olina.html

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

387,000 illegal aliens removed in F.Y. 2009
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-182539-ice.html+removes
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February 23, 2011
. . . ICE last year removed more than 392,800 aliens from the United States; of that number, more than 195,700 were aliens with criminal convictions . . .
http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-1188845.html

That would mean that more than half, about 197,100, had no criminal convictions.

There are probably over 20 million illegals in this country! Sorry, I can't bring myself to get excited about a measly 197 thousand who ICE considers non-criminal illegal immigrants. You're great with the statistics, however, I've yet to see you provide a statastic that tells us how many illegals are released because ICE refused to deport them. That's a number I would be very interested in seeing.

Excerpt from my post above:

"He said administrative arrests of illegal immigrant workers are down 77 percent under Mr. Obama, criminal arrests are down 60 percent and convictions are down 68 percent".

A lot of the information you're providing seems to be coming from media sources that support illegal aliens and don't won't to see them deported. Honestly, I expect them to make it sound like we're deporting too many of the so-called 'non-criminal' aliens. I still say we're not deporting near enough of them.

Arguing with you, or anyone, else is a total waste of my time.
(As I've told you before)
And a waste of your time too.
Surely we both have better things to do with our time.

There's also the fact that of the pending immigration cases in North Carolina, 1,366 involve Mexican citizens, 21 involve Canadians, and the other 2,257 illegal immigrants in the state's custody come from 129 countries that don't border the United States.

Deportation and crime

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-233615.html

Deporting 392,000 illegal aliens in 2010 don't mean "JACK SQUAT!"
all it means is they let 600,000 walk! Illegals don't want it because it takes away from they're voter base! Napolitano is in charge of it so it's a "Bigass Joke!" on you!