Thread: IA-POSTVILLE PLANT: The new owners,are hiring

POSTVILLE PLANT: The new owners of a Kosher meatpacking plant involved in an immigration raid in 2008 are hiring

February 1, 2010


The new owners of Postville's kosher meatpacking plant plan to hire 150 workers as they bump up operations at the plant.

Agri Star Meat and Poultry will add a second shift to its poultry line. It also plans to restart the plant's beef line in a few weeks.

The new owners bought the plant out of bankruptcy from Agriprocessors last fall after it collapsed in the wake of a huge immigration raid in 2008.

The new company says the new jobs could pay $9.50 to $12.50 an hour.
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Slave wages. I really p$$es me off when these huge corporations pay dirt cheap wages. Anyone working at these wages are going to need food stamps and free medical care. Why should WE THE TAXPAYER have to subsidize multi million dollar corporations?

Originally Posted by redpony353

Slave wages. I really p$$es me off when these huge corporations pay dirt cheap wages. Anyone working at these wages are going to need food stamps and free medical care. Why should WE THE TAXPAYER have to subsidize multi million dollar corporations?

Those wages sound low but for chicken plants in the Midwest, those are above average wages. Most people who work in these plants earn $9 an hour in these small communities and because they get some over-time, health insurance and paid sick and vacation pay, they're thrilled to get them. So in Postville, Iowa, those salaries will be at minimum 40 hour weeks for 52 weeks a year so that's 9.50 x 2080 hours a year = $19,760 a year up to 12.50 an hour x 2080 hours a year = $26,000 a year before over-time. They'll have lots of people apply for those jobs probably 4 to 5 applicants for every job opening and the people will be glad to have them. That's why the Open Borders Lobby and these crooked politicians claiming illegal aliens are doing work that Americans won't do just makes me so mad I could explode. I worked in economic development for several years in the midwest and worked with several chicken plant operations. They had almost no turnover. The only real problem the employees had and this was resolved was carpel tunnel syndrome from the repetitive motion. Many would have a surgery to correct it and the plants responding to this complaint and issue increased the length and frequency of breaks and that problem is pretty much resolved now.

When you can hire great employees in these small rural communities who are honest, educated, smart, hard-working people for these types of wages with very low turnover, how could any decent company want to hire uneducated illegal aliens for less and experience almost 100% turn over? Only demented people would want to do that. With the higher turnover, they lost all the skill, they had to waste time and money training new workers ... it's insane.

And yes, I agree with you that these wages are low but they are not uncommon in American manufacturing plants in these small communities throughout America, and the people can live reasonably well on them, too, own a home, a car, buy their groceries, pay their utilities and support themselves. Very few earning this level would qualify for welfare or any other subsistence unless they had a boatload of kids and people in the Midwest don't do that. They have relatively small families being filled to the brim with common sense, pragmatism and a very deeply-rooted desire to be self-sufficient and pay their own way.

But it drives to the heart of the point doesn't it? If you can hire Americans at these low wages to do this work, Americans who need the jobs and who can live reasonably well on them, why would you want to hire illegal aliens, pay them less, have a less productive work force, experience high turnover, reduce the quality of your performance and break the law?

The people behind illegal immigration like the people behind free trade treason are just plain stupid, irrational and evil traitors. They all deserve to have all their operations forced into bankruptcy and their asses thrown into a prison where they throw away the key.

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by redpony353

Slave wages. I really p$$es me off when these huge corporations pay dirt cheap wages. Anyone working at these wages are going to need food stamps and free medical care. Why should WE THE TAXPAYER have to subsidize multi million dollar corporations?

Those wages sound low but for chicken plants in the Midwest, those are above average wages. Most people who work in these plants earn $9 an hour in these small communities and because they get some over-time, health insurance and paid sick and vacation pay, they're thrilled to get them. So in Postville, Iowa, those salaries will be at minimum 40 hour weeks for 52 weeks a year so that's 9.50 x 2080 hours a year = $19,760 a year up to 12.50 an hour x 2080 hours a year = $26,000 a year before over-time. They'll have lots of people apply for those jobs probably 4 to 5 applicants for every job opening and the people will be glad to have them. That's why the Open Borders Lobby and these crooked politicians claiming illegal aliens are doing work that Americans won't do just makes me so mad I could explode. I worked in economic development for several years in the midwest and worked with several chicken plant operations. They had almost no turnover. The only real problem the employees had and this was resolved was carpel tunnel syndrome from the repetitive motion. Many would have a surgery to correct it and the plants responding to this complaint and issue increased the length and frequency of breaks and that problem is pretty much resolved now.

When you can hire great employees in these small rural communities who are honest, educated, smart, hard-working people for these types of wages with very low turnover, how could any decent company want to hire uneducated illegal aliens for less and experience almost 100% turn over? Only demented people would want to do that. With the higher turnover, they lost all the skill, they had to waste time and money training new workers ... it's insane.

And yes, I agree with you that these wages are low but they are not uncommon in American manufacturing plants in these small communities throughout America, and the people can live reasonably well on them, too, own a home, a car, buy their groceries, pay their utilities and support themselves. Very few earning this level would qualify for welfare or any other subsistence unless they had a boatload of kids and people in the Midwest don't do that. They have relatively small families being filled to the brim with common sense, pragmatism and a very deeply-rooted desire to be self-sufficient and pay their own way.

But it drives to the heart of the point doesn't it? If you can hire Americans at these low wages to do this work, Americans who need the jobs and who can live reasonably well on them, why would you want to hire illegal aliens, pay them less, have a less productive work force, experience high turnover, reduce the quality of your performance and break the law?

The people behind illegal immigration like the people behind free trade treason are just plain stupid, irrational and evil traitors. They all deserve to have all their operations forced into bankruptcy and their asses thrown into a prison where they throw away the key.

Yes I know those are typical wages for that job...nowadays. But it they are still slave wages. You cannot buy a home in Iowa on those wages. I have a friend who lives there. It is dirt poor pay. Yes Americans will take the job because they are desperate, but the taxpayer will pick up the tab for services to make up the difference between what they get paid and the cost of living....even in Iowa...which is not so cheap actually.

Chicken plants pay for health care? Vacation pay? Sick pay? I doubt that. It has been many years since those type of jobs had benefits....many many years. And it has been many years since those types of jobs paid a living wage. But I agree with you on one thing....people will be glad to get a job. Americans will fill those jobs up quick. And, btw, they will do a better job and the food will be clean. But they wont be able to make ends meet and the taxpayer will pick up the tab...especially for health care. They may also need food stamps and possibly housing subsidies.

Employers who dont pay employees a good wage, should have to pay a tax to fund the services those employees will need. Or wait....maybe the government should just bill the employer for any necessary public services due to low pay.

Originally Posted by redpony353

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by redpony353

Slave wages. I really p$$es me off when these huge corporations pay dirt cheap wages. Anyone working at these wages are going to need food stamps and free medical care. Why should WE THE TAXPAYER have to subsidize multi million dollar corporations?

Those wages sound low but for chicken plants in the Midwest, those are above average wages. Most people who work in these plants earn $9 an hour in these small communities and because they get some over-time, health insurance and paid sick and vacation pay, they're thrilled to get them. So in Postville, Iowa, those salaries will be at minimum 40 hour weeks for 52 weeks a year so that's 9.50 x 2080 hours a year = $19,760 a year up to 12.50 an hour x 2080 hours a year = $26,000 a year before over-time. They'll have lots of people apply for those jobs probably 4 to 5 applicants for every job opening and the people will be glad to have them. That's why the Open Borders Lobby and these crooked politicians claiming illegal aliens are doing work that Americans won't do just makes me so mad I could explode. I worked in economic development for several years in the midwest and worked with several chicken plant operations. They had almost no turnover. The only real problem the employees had and this was resolved was carpel tunnel syndrome from the repetitive motion. Many would have a surgery to correct it and the plants responding to this complaint and issue increased the length and frequency of breaks and that problem is pretty much resolved now.

When you can hire great employees in these small rural communities who are honest, educated, smart, hard-working people for these types of wages with very low turnover, how could any decent company want to hire uneducated illegal aliens for less and experience almost 100% turn over? Only demented people would want to do that. With the higher turnover, they lost all the skill, they had to waste time and money training new workers ... it's insane.

And yes, I agree with you that these wages are low but they are not uncommon in American manufacturing plants in these small communities throughout America, and the people can live reasonably well on them, too, own a home, a car, buy their groceries, pay their utilities and support themselves. Very few earning this level would qualify for welfare or any other subsistence unless they had a boatload of kids and people in the Midwest don't do that. They have relatively small families being filled to the brim with common sense, pragmatism and a very deeply-rooted desire to be self-sufficient and pay their own way.

But it drives to the heart of the point doesn't it? If you can hire Americans at these low wages to do this work, Americans who need the jobs and who can live reasonably well on them, why would you want to hire illegal aliens, pay them less, have a less productive work force, experience high turnover, reduce the quality of your performance and break the law?

The people behind illegal immigration like the people behind free trade treason are just plain stupid, irrational and evil traitors. They all deserve to have all their operations forced into bankruptcy and their asses thrown into a prison where they throw away the key.

Yes I know those are typical wages for that job...nowadays. But it they are still slave wages. You cannot buy a home in Iowa on those wages. I have a friend who lives there. It is dirt poor pay. Yes Americans will take the job because they are desperate, but the taxpayer will pick up the tab for services to make up the difference between what they get paid and the cost of living....even in Iowa...which is not so cheap actually.

Chicken plants pay for health care? Vacation pay? Sick pay? I doubt that. It has been many years since those type of jobs had benefits....many many years. And it has been many years since those types of jobs paid a living wage. But I agree with you on one thing....people will be glad to get a job. Americans will fill those jobs up quick. And, btw, they will do a better job and the food will be clean. But they wont be able to make ends meet and the taxpayer will pick up the tab...especially for health care. They may also need food stamps and possibly housing subsidies.

Employers who dont pay employees a good wage, should have to pay a tax to fund the services those employees will need. Or wait....maybe the government should just bill the employer for any necessary public services due to low pay.

Oh yes, Americans will fill those jobs up quick and do an excellent job preparing the meat and produce a much higher quality product.

These wages offered by this company in Postville are above the minimum wage and much higher than what they were paying the illegal aliens, so the solution to low wages in America is get the illegal aliens out of the country that deflated these wages to begin with .. meat packers used to earn $16 to $17 an hour ...so they can reflate to what they should be.

What this story highlights so well is how hard Americans work for wages that many think are slave wages, which totally dispels the lie that illegal immigration is justified to find labor to do the jobs Americans won't do. There is no job an American won't do and if these corporations resent paying $9.50 to $12.50 an hour for hard honest work and want to break our laws to pay less, then I'm all for bankrupting every last one of them and sending their owners and managers to prison for many years, because as you point out, if employers aren't paying livable sustainable wages, then taxpayers end up paying the difference, which isn't fair to either our workers and/or taxpayers.

That's one of the reasons I so adamantly support the FairTax which increases both the expendable income of the worker as well as the retained earnings of the employer enabling the worker to live better on their wages and the employer the ability to pay better wages and offer more benefits, reducing the need for public assistance funded by taxpayers to supplement a full-time workers income.

www.fairtax.org

"reflate" Ahhhhh....music to my ears. There is no job Americans wont or cant do.....and they can do it better than anyone else on the planet. And they will...given the chance. And it looks like they will have that chance. With Americans on the job, some of the damage done by illegals to product quality and workplace quality...will be slowly but surely repaired.

And I am all for the Fair Tax, for all the reasons you mentioned, plus it is just much simpler and makes more sense.

Originally Posted by redpony353

"reflate" Ahhhhh....music to my ears. There is no job Americans wont or cant do.....and they can do it better than anyone else on the planet. And they will...given the chance. And it looks like they will have that chance. With Americans on the job, some of the damage done by illegals to product quality and workplace quality...will be slowly but surely repaired.

And I am all for the Fair Tax, for all the reasons you mentioned, plus it is just much simpler and makes more sense.

Yes, "reflate" .. we need to start getting that term out so people understand that when we get illegal aliens out of the country, wages will "relate" and we can push on down the road to ending this outrageous and costly poverty created by illegal immigration.

Yes, I dream of the day when I can make a decision without taking into account "income tax implications" and never having to file another personal or business income tax return. Monthly sales tax report including a line for the FairTax, no problem!

I think people will really love the FairTax. We just have to make more people aware of it and get them to study it and ask questions so they understand how it works. It's really a brilliant tax proposal. For years we wanted a national retail sales tax, but couldn't figure out how to get past the regressive nature of it and the FairTax developers did, using the voluntary available to all US citizens and legal immigrants, Monthly Rebate. Perfect, absolute genius. Some very smart good people developed this tax system. I hope we can get it passed before they pass away so they can know that their mission to help our people, businesses, economy and nation came to fruition.

The new company says the new jobs could pay $9.50 to $12.50 an hour.

They pay $9.50 to $12.50 an hour because this is the damage illegal invaders have done to this industry and many others. They have come in, taken over and surpressed wages to current levels. That was the whole reason behind hiring illegal invaders in - they will work for less than the American citizen can. The only way to get wages back to pre-supression levels is to enforce the law and control our borders.

This is not a wage issue - it's an immigration issue!

Originally Posted by NoBueno

The new company says the new jobs could pay $9.50 to $12.50 an hour.

They pay $9.50 to $12.50 an hour because this is the damage illegal invaders have done to this industry and many others. They have come in, taken over and surpressed wages to current levels. That was the whole reason behind hiring illegal invaders in - they will work for less than the American citizen can. The only way to get wages back to pre-supression levels is to enforce the law and control our borders.

This is not a wage issue - it's an immigration issue!

B-b-but Gutuirez says if we amnesty illegal aliens it means they can get higher wages and spend the money in the US...you mean he LIED?!?!

These jobs used to pay alot more before illegal aliens took them, now the illegals are demanding amnesty so they can get paid more?? HELL NO! No amnesty, ever again and Gutierez can get the hell out too!

Amazing isn't it M! I ask those out there if they believe Gutuirez possesses the type of character to suddenly demand our border be secured and immigration laws enforced if his beloved amnesty were ever passed.

In fact, if you look at his amnesty bill that will go before Congress, it contains his personal wish list to all but dismantle future immigration enforcement in this country. What does this mean? It means that eventually, Gutuirez or his predecessors, will be demanding another amnesty under the guise that our immigration system is broken and the only way to cure it is to pass another amnesty.

Seriously, if the actions of Gutuirez do not amount to treason, then I do not know what does....