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    OP-ED:Court strikes blow for immigrant rights

    Court strikes blow for immigrant rights
    OUR OPINION: Overzealous prosecution no substitute for rational policy

    A slam-dunk, 9-0 decision by the Supreme Court is as rare lately as a bipartisan vote on Capitol Hill. So when the justices issued a unanimous decision this week to ban the use of identify-theft laws to prosecute immigrants, it is clear that they found an indisputably flagrant abuse of the legal process. Was it ever.

    Specifically, federal prosecutors were going after illegal immigrants by using laws designed to deter and punish identity thieves who intend to commit financial fraud. These laws define an offender as someone who ''knowingly transfers, possesses, or uses, without lawful authority, a means of identification of another person.'' By applying ''ordinary English grammar,'' Justice Stephen Breyer wrote, it was obvious that a guilty party must know that a false Social Security number he or she is using actually belongs to someone else.

    That didn't matter to the prosecutors, though. What they like about the identity-theft law is that it carries a two-year prison term and could be used indiscriminately against any foreign worker carrying a false U.S. identity, whether or not it belonged to a real person. Thus, immigrants rounded up in workplace raids were threatened with a law that carried a harsher penalty -- even though it involved a statute plainly written to deter a different crime -- if they failed to plead guilty to lesser charges and accept deportation.

    To be clear, workers caught in these raids can and will still be jailed and deported for carrying false IDs. But now that the Supreme Court has spoken, they no longer can be threatened with an aggravated penalty in an underhanded maneuver designed to get them to surrender their few legal rights.

    This is what happened last year in Pottsville, Iowa, when 300 Guatemalans and Mexicans were rounded up in a raid of a food-processing plant. Most of the workers initially were charged with aggravated identity theft. Within two weeks, most of them pleaded guilty to lesser charges, such as using false identifications, and were sentenced to five months in prison. Nearly all have since been deported.

    The court's decision is a significant victory -- for the rule of law, but also for the rights of immigrants, who have become scapegoats in an ugly fight over larger economic issues. The decision takes wrongful prosecutions off the table in similar future cases.

    President Obama says future enforcement efforts will focus on employers who knowingly hire illegal workers. This is better than the policy of random workplace raids, which create chaos in immigrant communities and have little impact on the larger problem of illegal immigration. But let's not kid ourselves -- it's no substitute for sound immigration policy that the country desperately needs.
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    I say this is more of a blow for citizen rights than immigrant rights.
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    The court's decision is a significant victory -- for the rule of law, but also for the rights of immigrants, who have become scapegoats in an ugly fight over larger economic issues. The decision takes wrongful prosecutions off the table in similar future cases.
    SCAPEGOATS? How stupid do these writers think American people are, and the same question should be addressed to the Supreme Court?
    What larger economic issues, jerks? Not enough of your precious illegals being employed because they are wary of showing fake IDs?
    I have been PO'd at the Court, ever since their New London v. Kelo decision about the right of eminent domain over private property (which was then sold to a developer, who hasn't been able to develop due to the financial mess.) This is just another nail in their coffin, IMO.
    And dammit, quit calling those that need fake ID immigrants--they are illegals--but we are not supposed to know the difference.
    There are not enough cuss words in any language to express how I really feel.
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    If that’s the way it’s going to be law enforcement needs to start running sting operations against those selling them and immediately deport carrying a fake ID.

    I can believe that someone buying identification from a street vender could believe that it’s anything but stolen and belongs to someone else.

    We are playing the poor ignorant immigrant a little to far.
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    The court's decision is a significant victory -- for the rule of law, but also for the rights of immigrants, who have become scapegoats in an ugly fight over larger economic issues. The decision takes wrongful prosecutions off the table in similar future cases.


    SCAPEGOATS? How stupid do these writers think American people are, and the same question should be addressed to the Supreme Court?
    What larger economic issues, jerks? Not enough of your precious illegals being employed because they are wary of showing fake IDs?
    I have been PO'd at the Court, ever since their New London v. Kelo decision about the right of eminent domain over private property (which was then sold to a developer, who hasn't been able to develop due to the financial mess.) This is just another nail in their coffin, IMO.
    And dammit, quit calling those that need fake ID immigrants--they are illegals--but we are not supposed to know the difference.
    There are not enough cuss words in any language to express how I really feel.
    Me too Vortex. I really can't see how this will help anybody except illegal aliens using stolen I.D.s.
    Just watch how many cases get thrown out of court now with lesser sentences.

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    "which create chaos in immigrant communities and have little impact on the larger problem of illegal immigration."

    First it creats chaos in the "ILLEGAL immigrant" community not the immigrant community! I suspect the author's concern is the problem created for the Elitist Political Contributors and Special Interest Groups who benefit from the ILLEGALS on the backs of United States Citizen Taxpayers.

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    I think the use of false federal identification should be a felony. That would solve the problem!

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    It is if your U.S. citizen
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