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07-08-2007, 10:03 AM #1
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Prince Wm. Co: Hounding Immigrants UPDATED 7/10
Hounding Immigrants
In Prince William, the poisonous fruit of congressional failure
Sunday, July 8, 2007; B06
THE SENATE'S failure last month to come to grips with immigration reform is certain to accelerate the nationwide trend of localities cracking down on undocumented foreigners in their midst. The impulse is understandable, if not always attractive: Towns, cities and counties bear the burden of providing immigrants with health care, education, law enforcement and other services. And in places with fast-growing communities of undocumented immigrants, native-born citizens tend to bristle at the problems sometimes associated with them -- gangs, flophouses, day workers thronging parking lots and a general clash of cultures.
The tensions have been particularly acute in Prince William County, a booming jurisdiction where Hispanics, who registered scarcely 10 percent of the population in 2000, now approach 20 percent. Prodded by angry constituents, the county Board of Supervisors looks set to adopt a resolution whose evident purpose is to harass illegal immigrants in hopes that they move elsewhere.
The resolution's sponsor, John T. Stirrup Jr. (R-Gainesville), believes that illegal immigrants are to blame for "economic hardship" and "lawlessness" in Prince William and that the county has encouraged immigrants to settle there by turning a blind eye to their status while providing them with services. Leave aside the dubious propositions that illegal immigrants are criminals -- prosecutors say most are law-abiding -- or that they've come because of county services rather than the availability of jobs. By seeking to make life miserable for immigrants, the county is likely also to make things a good deal worse for itself.
Mr. Stirrup's measure would have county police act as adjunct immigration agents, determining the status of anyone detained for any kind of violation. The county already reports serious crimes committed by undocumented immigrants to the feds, but this would cover even the lightest misdemeanors. That would be a difficult, time-consuming and in many cases impossible task for local police officers; small wonder they don't want to do it. The resolution also seeks to compel all other county agencies, schools included, to deny services to undocumented immigrants. Outrageously, it would empower any citizen to sue any county agency for failing to quiz immigrants about their residency status or for providing them with services. Tattletales of the world, unite!
The effects of Mr. Stirrup's proposal are apt to be poisonous. Does he really think that denying thousands of illegal immigrant children the right to attend school -- which the Supreme Court has granted them -- would contribute to social harmony? More likely, it would put a lot of youths on the street with little to do but make trouble. If police become immigration agents, immigrants will be leery of providing information and cooperating as witnesses to crimes, as police have said. If health clinics deny care to illegal immigrants or scare them off by asking about their status, that will make them only more likely to end up as uninsured, non-paying visitors to a hospital emergency room.
We doubt that Mr. Stirrup's measure would force many illegal immigrants to relocate. But if it did, they'd be more likely to move next door to Loudoun or Stafford counties than back to El Salvador or Mexico. What would be accomplished by such a beggar-thy-neighbor policy?
The resolution in Prince William, like other such laws and ordinances around the country, is a symptom of a larger failure by this country to devise a workable, realistic immigration system. The result will be a society that beckons to immigrants by offering them jobs with one hand, then slaps them around with the other once they are settled here. It's shameful, hypocritical and ugly. And it's what the Senate has bequeathed the nation by failing to enact meaningful reform.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00984.html
Please take note of the headline on this story. It was copied just as it appears with the article. There is a comment section following this piece that can be accessed with the above link. Perhaps their editorial team should hear a different perspective?
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07-08-2007, 10:11 AM #2
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The story was moved. Use this link to comment........
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07-08-2007, 10:31 AM #3
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Thanks, Girly, I changed my link.
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07-08-2007, 11:02 AM #4Hounding Immigrants
In Prince William, the poisonous fruit of congressional failure
Prodded by angry constituents, the county Board of Supervisors looks set to adopt a resolution whose evident purpose is to harass illegal immigrants in hopes that they move elsewhere.
Tha above was sent as a comment to the article in the Washington Post.Join our efforts to Secure America's Borders and End Illegal Immigration by Joining ALIPAC's E-Mail Alerts network (CLICK HERE)
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07-08-2007, 11:30 AM #5
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I just left my comments on the Washington Post site. They are getting pounded; keep it up.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00984.html
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07-08-2007, 11:31 AM #6
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My thoughts - I guess it would be better to have these 'problem prone youths' in our schools thereby denying our children an education than it would be for law enforcement to deal with them as they should.
Also, if they don't like it - go back to Mexico or wherever. If the US is such a bad country, then go make your own into what you like -
Wait - I think they did and now there here to do the same for us.
Their constant mantra is that they need the illegals to feel free to talk with the police and report crime. Yes, the statement, on face, makes sense. Now the implied part is that we have to turn a blind eye to whatever they do in order to get them to cooperate. So maybe all car thieves, all muggers, all whatever, should be given a free pass so they will report on other people's crimes!!!!!!!!!
When we hear of the percentages of illegals in various places, is anyone getting the picture that the government should stop saying 12 million and WE should stop saying 20 million - I fear it the figure is much, much higher.Join our efforts to Secure America's Borders and End Illegal Immigration by Joining ALIPAC's E-Mail Alerts network (CLICK HERE)
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07-08-2007, 11:40 AM #7When we hear of the percentages of illegals in various places, is anyone getting the picture that the government should stop saying 12 million and WE should stop saying 20 million - I fear it the figure is much, much higher.Join our efforts to Secure America's Borders and End Illegal Immigration by Joining ALIPAC's E-Mail Alerts network (CLICK HERE)
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07-08-2007, 12:15 PM #8
Comment were great...
but my favorite was
Tupac_Goldstein wrote:
Typo. Green card, not greed card. Greed card is one's Chamber of Commerce membership card.Never look at another flag. Remember, that behind Government, there is your country, and that you belong to her as you do belong to your own mother. Stand by her as you would stand by your own mother
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07-08-2007, 12:43 PM #9
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Hello! I am a new poster and wanted to share some more info concerning Stirrup's resolution.
http://helpsavemanassas.org/stirrupresolution.php
So far, here is what we believe the Supervisors intend to do:
Corey Stewart, Chairman: IN FAVOR
John Sturrup, Gainesville: IN FAVOR
Maureen Caddigan, Dumfries: SUPPORTS IN PRINCIPLE
Mike May, Occoquan: SUPPORTS IN PRINCIPLE
Marty Nohe, Coles: SUPPORTS IN PRINCIPLE
Wally Covington, Brentsville: STRONGLY LEANING IN FAVOR
John Jenkins, Neabsco: LEANING OPPOSED
Hilda Barg, Woodbridge: OPPOSED
Candidates For Prince William County Board of Supervisors
Chris Royse, Woodbridge (R): IN FAVOR
Frank Principi, Woodbridge (D): NO POSITION
Steve Keen, Woodbridge (I): NO POSITION
Action Plan
Contact Supervisors Caddigan, May, Nohe, Covington and Jenkins now and urge them to support this resolution. Please be polite, and make sure they understand why you feel it's important that this resolution be adopted. Feel free to use information from this page or the sanctuary policy page as your talking points.
Corey Stewart, Chairman
McCoart Administration Building
1 County Complex Court
Prince William, VA 22192
Phone: (703) 792-4640
Fax: (703) 792-4637
Aide: (703) 792-5626
cstewart@pwcgov.org
Marty Nohe, Coles, Vice-Chairman
4360 Ridgewood Center Drive
Prince William, VA 22192
Phone: (703) 792-4620
Fax: (703) 792-4610
Aide: (703) 792-4621
mnohe@pwcgov.org
John Stirrup, Gainesville
Sudley North Government Center
7873 Ashton Avenue
Manassas, VA 20109
Phone: (703) 792-6195
Fax: (703) 792-7664
Aide: (703) 792-6196
gainesville@pwcgov.org
Wally Covington, Brentsville
8506 Wellington Road
Suite 101
Manassas, VA 20109
Phone: (703) 792-6190
Fax: (703) 257-9792
Aide: (703) 792-6191
wcovington@pwcgov.org
Mike May, Occoquan
Chinn Park Library
13083 Chinn Park Drive
Prince William, VA 22192
Phone: (703) 792-4643
Fax: (703) 792-4833
Aide: (703) 792-4644
mcmay@pwcgov.org
Maureen Caddigan, Dumfries
Dr. A.J. Ferlazzo Building
15941 Donald Curtis Drive, Suite 145
Woodbridge, VA 22191
Phone: (703) 792-4645
Fax: (703) 792-4622
Aide: (703) 792-4648
mcaddigan@pwcgov.org
John Jenkins, Neabsco
4361 Ridgewood Center Drive
Prince William, VA 22192
Phone: (703) 792-4668
Fax: (703) 792-4669
Aide: (703) 792-4667
jjenkins@pwcgov.org
Hilda Barg, Woodbridge
Dr. A.J. Ferlazzo Building
15941 Donald Curtis Drive, Suite 140
Woodbridge, VA 22191
Phone: (703) 792-4646
Fax: (703) 792-4993
Aide: (703) 792-4647
hbarg@pwcgov.org
At the above link you can find out more information about the resolution. Don't believe the Washington Post's propaganda. (I commented on that article as well).
I apologize if this info has been posted elsewhere. Like I said, I am new to this board. I am hoping measures such as this can set an example for other cities, towns, etc. to follow.
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07-09-2007, 05:05 PM #10
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Hi again. Just wanted to bump this one.
If you go to http://helpsavemanassas.org/stirrupresolution.php you can see who is supporting this measure and who is not.
Since the debate begins tomorrow, I want to encourage you guys to bombard the fence sitters with emails.
Thanks again!
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