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    Pulling US aid to Honduras would fuel, not fight, illegal immigration

    Pulling US aid to Honduras would fuel, not fight, illegal immigration

    by Tom Rogan
    | October 16, 2018 05:25 PM


    President Trump is right to want to stop an illegal immigrant caravan from approaching the U.S. border. But Trump would make a big mistake by following through on his threat on Tuesday and cutting U.S. aid programs in Honduras.

    That's because the programs are specifically focused on reducing criminality while providing education and employment opportunities that allow Hondurans to escape from violence but remain in their own country. Gangs in Honduras, including MS-13, possess an almost psychotic penchant for brutality. And so, even as Trump rightly cannot accept illegal immigration, Honduran desperation is rational.


    In turn, we should pay heed to the data on U.S. aid programs in Honduras. A 2014 study by Vanderbilt University, for example, found that thanks to U.S. programs, "51 percent fewer residents reported being aware of extortion and blackmail, 51 percent fewer residents reported being aware of murders, 35 percent fewer residents reported avoiding dangerous areas because of fear of crime." Similar programs continue to operate today. Moreover, Vanderbilt also found that U.S. AID's success has naturally conservative undertones: explicitly identifying the need for greater fostering of families, faith institutions, and schools in leading young people away from violence.


    These, put simply, are programs that the American people have joined moral and political reason to support. A better way of preventing the kind of caravans we see this week would be to boost these aid programs and clean up the Honduran government. That would cultivate an environment of improved governance that could finally get to grips with Honduras' deep social ills. As for the caravan, why can't the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol simply obstruct its passage onto U.S. soil instead of threatening programs that work well?

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    NO MORE EXTORTION MONEY!

    SEND THEM BACK!

    THEIR COUNTRIES ARE "MORALLY" RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR CITIZENS!
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    I disagree with this writer on the aid. I agree with him on not letting them in. The goal of the aid sanctions is to stop it in the country before it gets to our borders and a show down with the US. It's their choice, either stop this nonsense or suffer the aid and trade consequences. It's very simple.
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    Shut down ALL incoming traffic at the Mexican border to ONE lane!

    No papers, no entry!
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    Fixing this is not simple and not easy.
    If you cut their aid and trade they will be hurting even more if they stay home so many more of them will try the trip to the U.S.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    Fixing this is not simple and not easy.
    If you cut their aid and trade they will be hurting even more if they stay home so many more of them will try the trip to the U.S.

    We have fighter jets...use them!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    Fixing this is not simple and not easy.
    If you cut their aid and trade they will be hurting even more if they stay home so many more of them will try the trip to the U.S.

    Yep, that's what I've been trying to explain for some time now. That is why Judy's Plan B would not only fail to work, it would exacerbate the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    Fixing this is not simple and not easy.
    If you cut their aid and trade they will be hurting even more if they stay home so many more of them will try the trip to the U.S.
    You don't get it. They aren't "hurting". They're thieves, con artists, drug runners, radicals, socialist criminals. They aren't "hurting" at all. The unemployed nurse got fired for stealing drugs from the hospital. The unemployed teacher got fired for selling drugs to the students.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    You don't get it. They aren't "hurting". They're thieves, con artists, drug runners, radicals, socialist criminals. They aren't "hurting" at all. The unemployed nurse got fired for stealing drugs from the hospital. The unemployed teacher got fired for selling drugs to the students.
    If you can't prove that it means you just made it up and it's FAKE NEWS right from YOU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    If you can't prove that it means you just made it up and it's FAKE NEWS right from YOU.
    LOL!! That's my opinion of these people. Why would a nurse and a teacher be unemployed and in some criminal migrant march to the United States from Honduras unless they were fired?
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