Thread: Real ID facing threat of extinction in Arizona

Originally Posted by MW

POTUS wrote:

Can you be more specific, regarding alleged inaccuracies?

Sure, for you, POTUS, anything.

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[quote:3ql6d6f3]Real ID disrupts this delicate balance of power in two ways. First, it turns the Founders' logic on its head by forcing states to act as agents for the federal government in creating a national ID card for federal purposes.

Real ID is not a national ID card. The cards are issued through the individual states and the database will be maintained by the states.

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Fourth, Real ID will move DMV lines in our state up from 15 minutes to up to two hours, and those productive hours will not be regained in this lifetime. I suspect a similar phenomenon in DMVs across the nation.

Opinion at best, inaccuracy at worst.

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Fifth, Real ID falsely assumes our personal information will be safer in one spot in Washington rather than housed independently across 50 separate states.

From what I've read, the Real ID database will be maintained by states DMV. I've read nothing that indicates there will be a central database held in Washington, D.C. If you've got something from an official government site that makes such a claim, I'd be interested in seeing it. If you've got the proof, I'm man enough to admit I'm wrong.

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The REAL ID won't be a National ID Card, because the licenses will be distributed by the States, and the databases will be maintained by the States? The legislation mandates that States share information on a database that can be accessed by the other States. Like the NCIC, the National Crime Information Center. The legislation is a bureaucratic mandate from the Federal Government.

Sanford's observation on waiting times is opinion, but it may be correct, therefore dismissing it as inaccurate, may very well be, inaccurate.

If you look to official government documents to determine something, you'll know we don't have an illegal invasion problem, because the Federal Government handled that, with the enforcement provisions of the 1986 "One Time Only" Amnesty, right?

[quote="jp_48504"]Yes, they say one thing while doing another. Gee there's a surprise. Just what they do with Immigration enforcement and fence building.


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A primary privacy concern has been whether the REAL ID will result in a national identity system, including a centralized database of PII regarding all drivers. Although DHS cannot control how private sector third parties will use REAL ID cards, it can address the concern regarding the development of a centralized database. DHS states the following in the [b]preamble to the final rule: “DHS does not intend that a REAL ID document become a de facto national ID based on the actions of others outside of DHS to limit their acceptance of an identity document to a REAL ID-compliant driver’s license or identification card.â€

So funny, its not a national id card system (even though that is what our state DMV calls it), but all state databases are linked together and routes through a DHS system.

All information will be shared with Mexico , Canada and whomever DHS wants.

Published: 05.07.2008
Lawmakers approves proposed prohibition on REAL ID standards
The Associated Press


The Arizona Senate approved a bill Tuesday that would prohibit Arizona's participation in new federal security standards program for driver's licenses.

The 21-7 vote sends the proposal to the House, which had approved a milder version of the bill in March but will now consider a key change made by the Senate.

The House version would prohibit the state's participation in the REAL ID program without the approval of the Legislature. The Senate made it a flat prohibition.

The REAL ID law requires all states to bring their driver's licenses under a national standard and to link their record-keeping systems. It draws criticism because of the costs. Other criticism centers on the federal mandate and whether it would be effective.

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/84558.php

Another Victory Against the Real ID (National ID Card)

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This article also shows how all of our information goes to a Federal Database and that makes our id a National ID Card.


Database rule slows licenses for immigrants

By RACHEL POMERANCE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 05/09/08

A federal law meant to control the issuance of drivers' licenses has proved so difficult to put into practice that Homeland Security has extended the deadline for states to comply from this Sunday to years down the road.

Foreseeing the complications, Georgia's General Assembly voted last summer to delay enacting the REAL ID Act of 2005, but the Assembly did subscribe to one of its requirements: clearing noncitizens who seek drivers' licenses by finding their name in a national database of legal immigrants and visitors such as students.
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That requirement became effective in Georgia on Jan. 1.

But the process of verification has hardly run smoothly. And the problems with the process are adversely affecting the lives of legal noncitizens as they struggle to establish themselves in jobs, at work and in school.

"This is the biggest concern right now this immigrant community is facing," said Kevin Kim, the host of Radio Korea, WPBC AM 1310, adding that every foreign-born community is affected.

According to Georgia's Department of Driver Services, there have been complications — from issues of training license examiners and updating its computer programming here to database problems such as misspellings and a lag time in the entry of the data on the federal level.

"There's no one particular thing," said Susan Sports, spokeswoman for the state Department of Driver Services.

Legal immigrants sometimes require a second or third attempt at clearance with the national Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements, or SAVE, database.

The upshot is that many legal residents here are delayed in receiving a new license or renewing an old one in danger of expiring.

At the Department of Driver Services in Norcross, a high-traffic zone for foreign residents, more than 90 customers attempted a third try at verification in March, up from 68 in February and 43 in January, according to Driver Services.

Eighty percent of those entered into the database automatically verify, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, which supervises the system. And of those remaining, 96 percent clear in three to five days, said spokeswoman Marie Sebrechts.

But foreign residents here are baffled at a bureaucracy that they say routinely leads to months, not days, of waiting for licenses. They talk of friends and loved ones scrambling to make life work in Atlanta without wheels.

Students rely on friends to drive them to class, parents ask neighbors to shuttle their kids to school, and employees worry about getting to work or taking off.

Vikas Arora, a 34-year-old software engineer who moved here from India four years ago on a work visa, waited more than two months to secure his wife's license. Last week, on the couple's fifth visit to Driver Services in Norcross, they finally received it.

But until then, Arora was stuck during what he called "a crucial time period" at his job. While working on a project for a local company worth $1 billion, he would regularly excuse himself from work to take his son home from preschool. "I don't want to miss out on any opportunity" at work or "get delayed" and miss a meeting, he said.

Once state Sen. Chip Rogers (R-Woodstock) learned of the situation, he sought to ease the problem with legislation that permits legal residents to receive their licenses with a verbal or e-mail confirmation from Homeland Security to cut down on the delay associated with data entry. But that bill, which awaits the signature of Gov. Sonny Perdue, won't go into effect until Jan. 1, 2009.

In a letter dated March 26 to Perdue and the director of Driver Services, the Korean American Association of Greater Atlanta detailed the community's hardship and argued that as many as half the people with valid visas do not turn up in the federal database.

"Almost everyone relies on his or her driver's license or Department-issued ID card to conduct his or her daily business; e.g., going to banks, writing checks, traveling, picking up children from school early, etc.," the letter stated. "Having a valid Georgia driver's license or ID is especially important for those who are lawfully present but have no additional verifying identification such as a Social Security card — this includes all foreign students and dependents of employment-visa holders."

Homeland Security spokeswoman Amy Kudwa said states are getting millions of dollars to improve their technology, and Washington is working to improve its part in fulfilling the REAL ID Act. However, David Quam, director of federal relations for the National Governors Association, said states have yet to see any money.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/ ... _0509.html

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