Thread: NC Governor Candidates Oppose Admissions Change for Immigran

NC Governor Candidates Oppose Admissions Change for Immigrants
By GARY D. ROBERTSON
Associated Press Writer

Posted: Nov. 29 6:11 p.m.
Updated: Nov. 29 8:01 p.m.

RALEIGH, N.C. — The five leading candidates for North Carolina governor next year at least agree on one thing: They don't want illegal immigrants to enroll in community colleges.

Democratic hopefuls Bev Perdue and Richard Moore joined the three top Republicans on Thursday in opposing a decision by the state community college office to mandate the enrollment of undocumented individuals on all 58 campuses.

"I don't think that illegal aliens should be allowed to partake in community college classes," Moore told reporters Thursday. "I have a tough time getting around the 'illegal' part in the immigrant. This is a nation of laws, and we have to abide by the law."

Perdue campaign spokesman David Kochman also said the lieutenant governor opposes the decision made by a community college system attorney earlier this month that overturned a 2004 policy giving each campus discretion to accept these immigrants or not.

"She does not think people in this country illegally should be able to attend our community colleges," Kochman said.

In other separate interviews or statements, Republicans Bill Graham, Bob Orr and Fred Smith are calling on either the system board – of which Perdue and Moore are members – to override the latest change or the Legislature to return to Raleigh to do it.

"The Legislature should act quickly, setting politics aside, and address this important issue," said Smith, a state senator. "We can't continue to ignore our laws by providing new incentives to come to North Carolina illegally."

The quick candidate lineup in opposition to the enrollment requirement comes after a prime example of how tricky the immigration issue can be in political campaigns.

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton took heat from rivals of both parties for what they called her noncommittal answers on a proposal by New York Democratic Gov. Eliot Spitzer to issue driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. Although Spitzer pulled back on the idea two weeks ago, Clinton's response has provided a weapon to opponents still labeling her as indecisive.

A leading supporter of the North Carolina change called opponents shortsighted.

The children of workers who entered the country unlawfully shouldn't be punished, and more trained workers are needed to sustain the U.S. economy in the future, said Melinda Wiggins with the Durham-based Student Action with Farmworkers.

Wiggins and Orr said the quandary reflects a failure by elected leaders in Washington to pass immigration reform that would resolve how to treat the children of people who entered the country illegally.

"They should move and do something as a national policy so that these children should not be punished," Orr said.

But Orr added that doesn't make the community college policy right.

The memo by community college general counsel David Sullivan says giving colleges the option to deny admission based on legal status ran counter to the system's open-door admissions policy, which provides enrollment for anyone over 18 and is a high school graduate.

Before 2004, undocumented people weren't supposed to enroll in degree programs at all. At least 37 of the campuses had agreed since the 2004 memo to admit the illegal immigrants.

Only about 340 students have been identified by community college officials as undocumented individuals, compared to 268,400 students who are in degree programs. System administrators don't expect the number to rise dramatically, because the students must pay out-of-state tuition.

Still, Graham said, the change may push U.S. citizens from popular programs that will lead to better jobs.

"It is critical that we have priorities set so that workers born here, that are citizens, have the opportunity to engage in retraining in the community college system," he said.

Sullivan this week cited a 1997 letter signed by two lawyers in the office of then-Attorney General Mike Easley to Wake Technical Community College that said it could not set nonacademic requirements before a student can enroll.

During a public appearance Wednesday in Charlotte, Easley said community college officials misinterpreted the letter, which focused on whether the campus could prevent someone with a past criminal record from being admitted.

Easley, who is barred from running for a third consecutive term, wouldn't say whether he supports the new policy.

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/2104388/

Nice! This will help our effort a great deal!

W

As my grandson would say....


AWRIGHT!!

"This is a nation of laws, and we have to abide by the law."

Ya think?!

OK, Patriots...it is time that we hammer the President of the North Carolina Community College Association directly. His name is Martin Lancaster and here is his contact information:

Martin Lancaster
President of North Carolina Community College Association
(919) 807 - 6950
LANCASTER@nccommunitycolleges.edu

Below is his OATH OF OFFICE taken directly from their website. I feel he is in direct violation of his OATH OF OFFICE by allowing and supporting the attendance of ILLEGAL ALIENS at North Carolina Community Colleges:


Oath of Office
Do you, H. Martin Lancaster, solemnly and sincerely swear that you will support the Constitution of the United States and do you solemnly and sincerely swear that you will be faithful and bear true allegiance to the State of North Carolina and to the constitutional powers and authorities which are or may be established for the government thereof, and that you will endeavor to support, maintain and defend the Constitution of the said State, not inconsistent with the Constitution of the United States?
And as you enter upon the office of President of the Community College System of North Carolina, do you undertake to fulfill its duties to the best of your ability and without fear or favor, to cherish and encourage high standards of scholarship and thorough teaching and learning of each subject for every student taught in the several institutions of the system; to honor and defend the open policies of the system, regardless of race, creed or color, to the end that any citizen of suitable age who can learn what is taught, may be admitted to the student's chosen institution, and assisted in the processes of learning; to encourage the faculties to elicit from each student, as thoroughly as may be, that concern for humanity which makes for peace, for prosperity, for better work, for safer play and for an abiding respect for the arts that befit a free people, to encourage each institution to uphold the ideal of service to the people of its community in every appropriate and commendable way, so that collectively the system may help to make a profound improvement in the moral, cultural, social and economic well-being of the people of North Carolina?
And further, do you swear that you will well and truly execute the duties of the office of President of the Community College System of North Carolina to the best of your skill and ability, so help you God?
http://www.ncccs.cc.nc.us/External_Affa ... Office.htm

If you agree with me that he is in direct violation of his OATH OF OFFICE, please contact him and let him know so!

Not to be an alarmist but the 9/11 pilot terrorists learned to fly in American flight schools. I can't find any criteria or bans for enrolling in North Carolina's Community College's Aerospace and Flight Training programs so I don't know if some people are excluded from enrollment. Given the fact illegal immigrant can enroll in NC Community Colleges an illegal terrorist could slip through the system.

North Carolina Community College System
http://www.ncccs.cc.nc.us/programs/comm ... ibrary.htm
Click on AER Aerospace and Flight Training doc.

The list of AEROSPACE AND FLIGHT TRAINING available through N.C. Community Colleges is listed at: http://www.ncccs.cc.nc.us/programs/docs ... ov2001.doc

Some of the courses:
Air Navigation
Flight Simulator
Aircraft Structures
Private Pilot Flt Theory
Flight-Private Pilot
Flight-Instrument Pilot
etc.
Get the idea?

I personally don't believe illegal or legal immigrants should be allowed to enroll in Aerospace and Flight Training programs anywhere in the U.S.

The only sure bulwark of continuing liberty is a government strong enough to protect the interests of the people, and a people strong enough and well enough informed to maintain its sovereign control over the goverment.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

You are so good, zeezil!

Here's mine that I sent.

Oath of Office
Do you, H. Martin Lancaster, solemnly and sincerely swear that you will support the Constitution of the United States and do you solemnly and sincerely swear that you will be faithful and bear true allegiance to the State of North Carolina and to the constitutional powers and authorities which are or may be established for the government thereof, and that you will endeavor to support, maintain and defend the Constitution of the said State, not inconsistent with the Constitution of the United States?
And as you enter upon the office of President of the Community College System of North Carolina, do you undertake to fulfill its duties to the best of your ability and without fear or favor, to cherish and encourage high standards of scholarship and thorough teaching and learning of each subject for every student taught in the several institutions of the system; to honor and defend the open policies of the system, regardless of race, creed or color, to the end that any CITIZEN of suitable age who can learn what is taught, may be admitted to the student's chosen institution, and assisted in the processes of learning; to encourage the faculties to elicit from each student, as thoroughly as may be, that concern for humanity which makes for peace, for prosperity, for better work, for safer play and for an abiding respect for the arts that befit a free people, to encourage each institution to uphold the ideal of service to the people of its community in every appropriate and commendable way, so that collectively the system may help to make a profound improvement in the moral, cultural, social and economic well-being of the people of North Carolina?
And further, do you swear that you will well and truly execute the duties of the office of President of the Community College System of North Carolina to the best of your skill and ability, so help you God?
http://www.ncccs.cc.nc.us/External_Affa ... Office.htm

You obviously didn't take your oath very seriously, Sir. I may be in Texas, but I'm married to a North Carolinian from Garner. His family is still back there. I will make sure that they're aware of what's going on with their school system. My husband and I both took oaths to support and defend this country and its Constitution also. We did so for 21 years. Our oaths still hold true.

Originally Posted by Faye

You are so good, zeezil!

Here's mine that I sent.

Oath of Office
Do you, H. Martin Lancaster, solemnly and sincerely swear that you will support the Constitution of the United States and do you solemnly and sincerely swear that you will be faithful and bear true allegiance to the State of North Carolina and to the constitutional powers and authorities which are or may be established for the government thereof, and that you will endeavor to support, maintain and defend the Constitution of the said State, not inconsistent with the Constitution of the United States?
And as you enter upon the office of President of the Community College System of North Carolina, do you undertake to fulfill its duties to the best of your ability and without fear or favor, to cherish and encourage high standards of scholarship and thorough teaching and learning of each subject for every student taught in the several institutions of the system; to honor and defend the open policies of the system, regardless of race, creed or color, to the end that any CITIZEN of suitable age who can learn what is taught, may be admitted to the student's chosen institution, and assisted in the processes of learning; to encourage the faculties to elicit from each student, as thoroughly as may be, that concern for humanity which makes for peace, for prosperity, for better work, for safer play and for an abiding respect for the arts that befit a free people, to encourage each institution to uphold the ideal of service to the people of its community in every appropriate and commendable way, so that collectively the system may help to make a profound improvement in the moral, cultural, social and economic well-being of the people of North Carolina?
And further, do you swear that you will well and truly execute the duties of the office of President of the Community College System of North Carolina to the best of your skill and ability, so help you God?
http://www.ncccs.cc.nc.us/External_Affa ... Office.htm

You obviously didn't take your oath very seriously, Sir. I may be in Texas, but I'm married to a North Carolinian from Garner. His family is still back there. I will make sure that they're aware of what's going on with their school system. My husband and I both took oaths to support and defend this country and its Constitution also. We did so for 21 years. Our oaths still hold true.

Great letter, Faye. I will do something similar. It is time to call out the hypocrite and there is no better way than to point out that he is in direct viloation of his oath of office!

Bev Perdue and Richard Moore oppose it, but as board members, what will they do to change it? My guess is they could get it changed tomorrow with just a small amount of effort.

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