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    Senior Member dragonfire's Avatar
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    Should the Census Bureau Count Illegal Immigrants?

    This study was mentioned on Lou Dobbs on 07/16/08

    Should the Census Bureau Count Illegal Immigrants?
    Cox News Service
    Wednesday, October 24, 2007

    WASHINGTON — Texas, Florida and Arizona each stand to gain an extra congressional seat in the next Census count because of their large illegal immigrant populations, according to a recent study. Conversely, states like Ohio, Michigan and Missouri could each lose a seat because they have fewer illegal immigrants.

    Is this fair? Some groups don't think so.

    As the Census Bureau gears up to count every person in the United States in 2010, some are wondering if the government should include the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the total.

    The Census numbers will be used to allocate billions of dollars in education, road construction, health care, and other government spending. It will also be used to determine congressional districts.

    "It is unfair for some states to lose representation to other states because they have more people living there illegally," said Ira Mehlman, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a group that advocates lower levels of immigration. FAIR challenged the practice of counting illegal immigrants in the 1980 and 1990 Census but the cases were dismissed, Mehlman said.

    FAIR believes that the Census should ask immigrants their legal status. Those who are in the United States illegally should be subtracted from the total when it comes to determining congressional districts, Mehlman said.

    The recent study by the University of Connecticut examined the impact of illegal immigrants in the 2010 Census.

    In addition to identifying states gaining or losing seats in Congress, it found that illegal immigrants will allow California to keep its 53 seats. Without them, California would lose two, the study says.

    Meanwhile, some states, such as Georgia, will not be affected, according to the study. It calculates that Georgia will gain one seat based on the 2010 Census whether illegal immigrants are counted or not.

    Orlando J. Rodriguez, author of the study, said that current high levels of illegal immigration create a shift in congressional seats from the Northeast and Midwest to the South and the Southwest.

    Rodriguez also said that illegal immigrants should be counted in the Census, but that the division of congressional districts should be calculated differently.

    The Connecticut State Data Center, which is part of the University of Connecticut, will release a report in December that recommends that the division of congressional seats "be disconnected from the Census count," Rodriguez said. He would not elaborate further on the plan.

    Steven Camarota, director of research with the Center for Immigration Studies, a think tank that supports stronger immigration controls, said that high levels of legal and illegal immigration have led to a "distortion of the democratic process" where a lawmaker needs fewer votes to win in a district with a high number of illegal immigrants because the pool of U.S. citizens — and therefore potential voters — is much smaller.

    Camarota also said this distortion undermines the principle of "one person, one vote," a bedrock of American democracy.

    In Congress, Rep. Candice Miller, a Michigan Republican, has introduced a constitutional amendment that would apportion House districts based on a count of only U.S. citizens. The bill was also introduced in the last Congress but went nowhere.

    Currently, the 14th Amendment mandates that the federal government count "the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed" to determine representatives.

    Cecilia Munoz, vice president for policy at the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic civil rights organization, said that the purpose of the Census is to obtain accurate data of the entire population to make all kinds of important decisions.

    "Anybody who thinks we shouldn't count their undocumented neighbors is shooting their community in the foot because all kinds of resource decisions on things like water and roads and bridges get decided on the basis of Census data," she said.

    William H. Frey, a demographer with the Brookings Institution, said that many illegal immigrants would be afraid to participate in the Census if it included a question on legal status because they would assume the information would be sent to an enforcement agency.

    In addition, he said congressional districts should be based on total number of people, not just U.S. citizens.

    "As long as congressional districts and states have to provide services for people who are living there, whether they're legal or illegal, then the people representing them should have that kind of clout," he said. ... SUS23.html
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    YES!! But separately, we need to verify that there are over 20 million illegals in our country.

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    Those Census forms are a joke! Do they really think illegal aliens answer honestly? They will inflate their numbers if they think they will get more money and freebies. Mostly they just respond the way are TOLD to respond, by their friendly "activists".

    Does ANYONE believe ONE word from illegal aliens mouths? Their entire presence in the US is based on a LIE.
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    Only to get an Accurate count of how many to deport, how many will self deport and how many to prosecute and give Prison sentences
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    I wonder what is going to happen in a town like mine??? Officially the sign into town says we have 91,000. However, late last year a state rep. shared with a radio station that the state of Illinois estimated that Waukegan had 62,000 illegal aliens.

    I can't even wrap my mind around what that is doing to us...
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    For some reason I do not think our forefathers thought we would have millions of illegal aliens. Count them, do not include for federal money and let the states figure out what to do. I am waiting for CA to declare bankruptcies and the U.S. to wake up to what is happening. Until the money is taken away the states will not react. I bet U.S. Citizens will react when taxes in their area are raised. This might be for the good.

    I live in a state that does not have a problem, just ask anyone and they will say so….

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    Congressional seats are awarded based upon census date. If illegals are going to be counted in the US Census, it goes without saying that certain districts with large populations of illegal invaders are going to gain representation with additional seats awarded. This is the problem we have now in the House is that we have represenitives promoting the intersts of illegal invaders because they represent districts with high percentages of illegal invaders. This is wrong!

    A perfect example of this is Loretta Sanchez who represents the 47th district, which happens to be Santa Ana, CA. SA has an extremely high number of illegal invaders residing within that district. Not surprisingly, Her record on illegal immigration and related issues is deplorable.

    Why, because she is merly looking out for those residents who elected her into office and who reside in her district (anyone who believes illegals are not voting in our elections is out of touch); Even though those interests may be in conflict with the overall well being of this country as a whole.

    Cecilia Munoz, vice president for policy at the National Council of La Raza, is perfectly content with the current way in which seats are awarded based on population counts which include illegals. Why do you think that is?
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