Thread: Some Mexicans Leaving US, Planning Never to Return

Some Mexicans leaving US, planning never to return

By IVAN MORENO, The Associated Press
2008-12-14 17:43:13.0

DENVER-
After going months without a full-time job, Daniel Ramirez has decided it's time to return to family in Mexico.

Vicenta Rodriguez Lopez says she can't afford to live in Colorado any more because her husband was deported.

Roberto Espinoza is going back, too. After 18 years as a mechanic for a General Motors dealership in Denver, his work permit wasn't renewed and he didn't want to remain in the country illegally.

All are leaving Colorado in time for Christmas - joining a traditional holiday migration that will number almost 1 million people, says Mexico's interior ministry. But they have no intention of returning to Colorado, a place that promised prosperity.

Layoffs, dwindling job opportunities, anti-immigrant sentiment and the crackdown on illegal immigrants are forcing hard choices on many Mexican nationals in Colorado. Though not an exodus, some are returning to a nation they haven't seen in years.

"You despair. You think, 'I used to earn $600 a week and now I'm getting half of that a week?'" said Ramirez, 38, who lost his Denver construction job in August. He left last week, driving to San Luis Potosi in central Mexico.

Mexico's consul general in Denver, Eduardo Arnal, said more people like Ramirez are going home for good.

He cites a rise in applications for import tax exemptions by Mexican nationals bringing home their belongings. The consulate hasn't compiled statistics for 2008 but says it receives about three applications a day, compared to one per week in 2007.

"We've seen an increase in this service, which implies that there's a tendency among a larger number of Mexicans who are returning home definitively," Arnal said in an interview in Spanish.

Nationally, 1,809 Mexican immigrants filed for the exemption between January and August, compared to 1,447 the same period last year - a 25 percent increase, according to Mexico's foreign affairs ministry.

That's hardly an indicator of reverse migration, noted Carlos Rico, Mexico's undersecretary for North American affairs. Rico said what is known is that Mexicans are moving to other U.S. states - often places that historically have not seen a large population of Mexicans. They include North Carolina, Georgia, Idaho and Alaska, Rico said.

Whether for economic or anti-immigrant reasons, Rico said, "People are looking for alternatives within the United States."

An estimated 243,253 Mexicans lived in Colorado in 2007, down from 254,844 in 2006, according to the U.S. Census. The state's construction industry, a traditional source of employment for Mexicans, is contracting, and University of Colorado economists expect the state to lose 11,200 construction jobs next year.

Nationally, remittances to Mexico are down, as is Mexican emigration to the U.S.

August remittances totaled $1.9 billion, down 12 percent from August 2007, Mexico's Central Bank says. It's the first drop since the bank began tracking remittances in 1996.

Mexico's National Statistics and Geography Institute estimates that 814,000 Mexicans emigrated to the U.S. in 2006, compared to 1.2 million in 2007.

Arnal noted that Mexico's economy is growing, albeit modestly. Mexico's Treasury Department reported a 1.7 percent growth rate for the third quarter and forecasts 2 percent growth for the year.

But hard times, not tepid growth back home, are prompting some Colorado Mexicans to leave.

Espinoza said the recession's onset took him by surprise. He'll be seeing his country for the first time in nearly two decades.

"I miss my country," said Espinoza, 34, who is returning to Guadalajara, Jalisco.

Vicenta Rodriguez Lopez lives in Severance, about 60 miles north of Denver. She's leaving for the Mexican state of Sinaloa after 15 years because her husband, who worked at a ranch dairy, was deported for being here illegally.

"He told me to pack up everything," Rodriguez, 40, said in Spanish. "We're not young anymore."

Her 21-year-old son, also in the country illegally, plans on staying.

Jesus Luna, 30, is returning to Puebla with his wife and two children after nearly four years in Colorado Springs. His reasons aren't entirely economic. His parents are ailing. Packing things he said have been so easily accumulated here - bikes, toys, a washer and other appliances - he will be driving nearly 40 hours to arrive in time for Christmas parties.

"You know how it is - eating and more eating," he said, smiling.

Still others return on their own terms, having accrued the wealth to let them live their dreams in Mexico.

"I can't complain. I have a job and I am able to come back if I want," said Gustavo Camacho, 43, who works for a firm digging trenches for electrical cables in Denver.

Camacho, who is from Jalisco, has been here twice, from 1999-2003 and again since 2005. The first time, he saved enough money for a house in Jalisco. This time, he has enough to start a business - either a car repair shop or selling food on the street.

He wants his six children to grow up in Mexico, where he thinks family values are stronger.

"I'll miss it," Camacho said about his time in Colorado. "But you always miss something, whether you're here or in Mexico.

"I might even miss the weather."

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All music to my ears

Rico said what is known is that Mexicans are moving to other U.S. states - often places that historically have not seen a large population of Mexicans. They include North Carolina, Georgia, Idaho and Alaska, Rico said.

Don't you just love the fact that they are coming to North Carolina? I just can't wait. I'm sure Gov. Easley and his plan to push construction jobs for the state through will for sure keep all the illegals employeed while the citizens and legal immigrants stay unemployeed. Thank you NC state governement for making it so easy for our state to be over run with illegals.

GOOD

dont let the border fence hit you on the way by

Take your friends, your baby's mama, your family...

Dixie

Oh, please, please, please, please be true.

"He told me to pack up everything," Rodriguez, 40, said in Spanish. "We're not young anymore."
Her 21-year-old son, also in the country illegally, plans on staying.

Why do we need the kid here? Perhaps because he is working a nice paying job with fake ID so he can send remittances home.

Still others return on their own terms, having accrued the wealth to let them live their dreams in Mexico.




As is this case of MOST going back to Mexico.

These people are NOT returning home broke to live in hovels and eat dirt. If that were true, just how many would be so willing to return to nothing? Not many......not when they can take full advantage of the safety nets the US provides.

If people here had half a clue as to what IAs have accumulated, their heads would spin.

That's one of the reasons the Mexican government is so afraid of what will happen as their people come back. Not only are they armed with a knowledge of how an effective, viable society is run and functions, but they are no longer impoverished, defenseless peasants either.

Any sympathy one might feel for these "poor" people should be reserved for the TRUE poor.

Jesus Luna, 30, is returning to Puebla with his wife and two children after nearly four years in Colorado Springs. His reasons aren't entirely economic. His parents are ailing. Packing things he said have been so easily accumulated here - bikes, toys, a washer and other appliances - he will be driving nearly 40 hours to arrive in time for Christmas parties.

"You know how it is - eating and more eating," he said, smiling.

Lets see ...Christmas parties, "eating and more eating!" Sounds like life in mexico is not all that bad!

So much for the argument, we only come here seeking a better life! More like, we only come here to fleece the United States and then go back to mexico smiling and happy!

CLOSE THE FRIGGIN BORDER AND KEEP ILLEGALS OUT!

Originally Posted by vortex

"He told me to pack up everything," Rodriguez, 40, said in Spanish. "We're not young anymore."
[b]Her 21-year-old son, also in the country illegally, plans on staying. [/b]

Why do we need the kid here? Perhaps because he is working a nice paying job with fake ID so he can send remittances home.

He probably has yet to produce the prerequisite anchor(s)