Thread: South Carolina farmers share concerns about NAFTA, immigration with Agriculture Secre

Originally Posted by MW

Huh, I never pretended I didn't know. That's one of the reasons I never fully trusted trump. If he would talk about amnesty in one situation, he could possibly be amendable to it in any situation. Furthermore, I think your percentages are way off.

Then why do you claim Trump is a liar and a betrayer? Thanks for admitting you knew, so maybe you can drop or scale back the "broken promise" mantra once in awhile. This President hasn't betrayed anyone, what he is trying to do is solve the whole problem of excess immigration, something no one else before him has ever done before. So give him a chance to do it. If he comes up with something we don't like or want done a different way, then sure, push back and let him know that's not what we want.

My % per previous posts are based on reports that 45% of all illegal aliens in our country are here on expired visas. According to CIS, Mark Krikorian's outfit, 87% of all illegal aliens with children are on at least one form of welfare. At least 10% have committed a violent crime or multiple misdemeanors. And the vast majority of those caught who are released and ordered by a court to return for their immigration hearing are in violation of immigration controls.

I was generous with 87%. It's probably in reality closer to 95% at this point. The point is if he stays on course with this deportation criteria and has the resources from Congress to ramp it up and execute it, then this problem will be eliminated, once and for all. How fast you can get there depends on Congress as well as state and local law enforcement. If state and local law enforcement would engage to assist US in enforcing US immigration law, then this problem can be solved much faster. I think many agencies in the states would do so if Trump would issue an EO that assures them there will be no reprisals or lawsuits from the federal government for doing so. There are bills in Congress that say this, but of course, none of them will ever pass, so we need an EO from the President and/or US Department of Justice.

I wonder if those “abusing welfare” would include pregnant illegals getting free prenatal care , or all those receiving Medicaid and food stamps for their U.S. born children? While the “criminal” illegal aliens should certainly be top priority , it is the millions and millions of illegal aliens who’ve set up shop, courtesy of the taxpayers, to work and raise their families, no fear of deportation, that have cost us so much.

I think it's all of it.

Judy wrote (excerpts):

Then why do you claim Trump is a liar and a betrayer? Thanks for admitting you knew, so maybe you can drop or scale back the "broken promise" mantra once in awhile. This President hasn't betrayed anyone, what he is trying to do is solve the whole problem of excess immigration, something no one else before him has ever done before. So give him a chance to do it. If he comes up with something we don't like or want done a different way, then sure, push back and let him know that's not what we want.

It's undeniable that he has broken other promises. DACA, support of amnesty before border secured, NAFTA, etc. etc. Even if you do keep your word on one specific issue, breaking it on three other issues still makes you a betrayer of your word!

My % per previous posts are based on reports that 45% of all illegal aliens in our country are here on expired visas. According to CIS, Mark Krikorian's outfit, 87% of all illegal aliens with children are on at least one form of welfare. At least 10% have committed a violent crime or multiple misdemeanors. And the vast majority of those caught who are released and ordered by a court to return for their immigration hearing are in violation of immigration controls.

You're using percentages that are unverifiable.

Your math skills can't do this simple math? It's okay, probably explains why you oppose the FairTax.

MW Wrote:

It's undeniable that he has broken other promises. DACA, support of amnesty before border secured, NAFTA, etc. etc. Even if you do keep your word on one specific issue, breaking it on three other issues still makes you a betrayer of your word!

You knew, MW. That's all that matters. When someone tells you the truth, you can't call them a liar and expect it to fly.

Careful, please and thank you.

Judy wrote:

You knew, MW. That's all that matters. When someone tells you the truth, you can't call them a liar and expect it to fly.

- Yes, I knew he promised to end DACA immediately after moving into the White House.

- Yes, I knew he promised to not discuss an amnesty before the border was secured.

- Yes, I knew he promised to end NAFTA as it exists.

All of these are immigration promises made during his campaign that have been broken. So if it's not lying, what is it?

Originally Posted by MW

Judy wrote:



- Yes, I knew he promised to end DACA immediately after moving into the White House.

- Yes, I knew he promised to not discuss an amnesty before the border was secured.

- Yes, I knew he promised to end NAFTA as it exists.

All of these are immigration promises made during his campaign that have been broken. So if it's not lying, what is it?

He said he would end the two unconstitutional EOs that a Judge had stopped. If you'd watched the rallies you would know this, you claim you watched some of the rallies, so you heard the same thing everyone else heard who watched the rallies. No Judge ever stopped the DACA 2012 program we're dealing with now. A Judge stopped the DACA Expansion and DAPA.

Trump also said in his documents posted on the website, "he would PURSUE ending these programs day one." He never promised he would end any DACA or DAPA immediately after moving into the White House. He never said or posted it as part of his official positions. So I don't know where you're coming up with this. We all want all of Deferred Status in all its forms stopped, ended, over. DACA Expansion and DAPA are over as promised.

DACA 2012 because it's an existing program is more complicated under our laws, which is why there are two lawsuits stopping the termination, something everyone paying attention would know would occur as they did. One of the lawsuits is filed by Janet Napolitano who wrote the DACA 2012 memo that created DACA. So, we'll just have to see how the courts view that. It is not a slam dunk for our side by any means.

As to the amnesty before border security, so far we have neither one.

Trump is re-negotiating NAFTA. the first President in 24 years to even try to do so. If that fails or the terms aren't satisfactory at the end of that process, then there's no doubt he will give notice to Congress to terminate it or invoke other remedies such as tariffs anyway.

As to the amnesty before border security, so far we have neither one.

So if it's not lying, what is it?

It's not lying when you haven't lied. What you are seeing is someone trying to fix problems for our country. The reason no one tried before is probably because they knew how hard it would be and what a thankless task it is.

So, I think he could use some support and be given the chance to try to fix our problems. There's no problem with keeping the pressure on against a DACA DEAL, but to attack his integrity the way you do, I just don't understand that, because all this President is trying to do is fix our country the best way he can with what he has to work with.