Thread: Summit Protestors say Land Stolen,call for separate nation

http://www.alipac.us/article-434--0-0.html

Opposing sides meet separately at an Inland university and at a Las Vegas event.
By SHARON McNARY / The Press-Enterprise
May 29,2005

Polar opposites in the increasingly angry debate over immigration met in separate events Saturday, agreeing only that they will face off mid-summer on the California-Mexico border.

Founders of the Minuteman Project joined a who's who among anti-illegal immigration activists in Las Vegas at the boxing-themed "Unite to Fight Illegal Immigration Summit" hosted by the Las Vegas-based Wake Up America Foundation, whose motto is "It's your country, take it back."

At the same time, about 100 activists who favor granting legal residency to many of the nation's estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants met at UC Riverside to plan a response to the Minuteman Project's proposed August volunteer border watch. Their event was titled: "La Tierra es de Todos" meaning, "The Land is Everyone's."

Speakers at both events predicted increased tensions between their respective political movements, following violence at confrontations this month in Baldwin Park and Garden Grove that left people injured on both sides.

In One Corner ...

The politically conservative Las Vegas crowd, expected to draw 500 to 1,000 over its weekend run, featured Murrieta Republican Assemblyman Ray Haynes promoting his state border police initiative.

Friends of the Border Patrol leader Andy Ramirez of Chino spoke about plans to post volunteer sentries on the California-Mexico border in August. The original Minuteman Project drew several hundred volunteers who watched a segment of the Arizona-Mexico border in April.

The UCR event drew students, union activists, attorneys, civil rights advocates, communists, socialists and a member of Union del Barrio, a group that says the southwestern states were stolen from the Mexican people and should be separated from the United States.

Uniting Factor

The older attendees at the UCR meeting predicted the Minuteman Project would galvanize Southern California's Latinos into renewed political action similar to the 1994 campaign against Prop. 187, which would have denied government services to undocumented immigrants.

Younger activists like Alex Rico, 23, of Riverside, agreed. The UCR senior who heads the Chicano student group Mecha said his group rejects the idea that Latinos will assimilate into U.S. life by giving up their language and culture.

He sees the Minuteman Project as racist and anti-Latino. He said he was hurt by anti-Mexican taunts in elementary school and is appalled to hear similar attitudes today on popular talk-radio shows.

"That's why we fight so much for this illegal alien issue. That's why we're so passionate about it," Rico said. He predicted tense confrontations if Minuteman Project volunteer border watchers patrol San Diego.

"If they come to San Diego there will be a big response," Rico said.

Security Concerns

In Las Vegas, Minuteman Project co-founder Chris Simcox described the problems of illegal immigration to about 250 people gathered in the Cashman Center in downtown Las Vegas.

"It's not just about poor immigrants coming to work," said Simcox, president of Minuteman Civil Defense. "It's about the world knowledge that our government can't stop drug dealers. It doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence that they can stop resourceful terrorists."

Simcox told the crowd that his group, which he said numbers 15,000, is committed to securing the nation's borders and will continue to plan actions in California and in states along the Canadian border until the federal government begins military patrols.

A Matter of Race

Outside the anti-illegal immigration summit, about 200 Hispanic protesters chanted "racists go home" and waved American and Mexican flags.

Simcox dismissed claims his group was racist, saying the border issue is one of national security and public safety and that those caught at the border represent dozens of nationalities.

"I don't care what color your skin is, what language you speak or where you're from, if you are breaking into my country illegally, that's unacceptable." Simcox said.

He defended his philosophy as pro-immigrant, mentioning recent deaths along the U.S.-Mexico border in Arizona.

"There is no reason human beings, regardless of where they come from, should die horrible deaths," Simcox said.

Latinos are on both sides of the issue.

In Riverside, Guillermo Flores, a Los Angeles construction contractor, attended the Riverside event with his family to see his daughter, a UCR sophomore, present her findings on migration patterns of women. He said Minuteman Project participants cannot stop people from crossing into the United States from Mexico, as he did in 1988.

"It's like they want to scare the people," Flores said.

But the perception that national security is compromised by lax border controls drives other Latinos to the anti-illegal immigration movement.

In Las Vegas, Minutemen Project participant Michael Leon said he has endured strong criticism from within the Hispanic community, but felt compelled to join the group after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

"It's security for me," said Leon, who said he's been called a traitor to his race. "I love my community, but I love my country more."

The Associated Press contributed to this report. Reach Sharon McNary at (951) 368-9458 or smcnary@pe.com.

Thanks RedGirl1,

I have been checking in every so often to see if there is any news on the

"Unite to Fight Illegal Immigration Summit", thanks for the update.

TO: smcmnary@pe.com

https://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forum ... 1786#21786

Please review this assemblage of articles and the Truth about Illegal Immigration.

Please also forward if you would to the Associated Press who I understand from your article assisted with the article you printed today.

Perhaps in the next article you do on the subject, you can print some important information that the American People need to know. Americans are upset about this flow of immigrants into the country because of what it is doing. Americans decide who they let into their country.

The reasons for the anti-illegal immigration movement are very serious, valid and of monumental concern.

The Press has been strange on this topic following pro-immigration groups around, printing their false claims and “race card� stunts when there is no evidence that the anti-illegal immigration groups have any issue pertaining to “race�. How could they? Hispanics and Latinos are Caucasian and therefore “white�.

AMERICANS are black, white and Asian.

There is no racism in the anti-illegal immigration movement, because there is no race issue.

Hispanics and Latinos are Caucasian….all I can say to them is….You’re White, Get over It!!

Please focus on the important issues of this debate so the American People are fully informed as quickly as possible about the real issues of this flood of foreign nationals into the United States and the consequences that by design will end the United States as a sovereign territory through an open borders policy upon us as we sit.

Thanx, REDGIRL!

The UCR event drew students, union activists, attorneys, civil rights advocates, communists, socialists and a member of Union del Barrio, a group that says the southwestern states were stolen from the Mexican people and should be separated from the United States.

As I've mentioned---here's your garden variety "communist/socialists" that are behind the scenes teaching these groups what to do and say.

[quote="RedGirl1"]http://www.alipac.us/article-434--0-0.html

At the same time, about 100 activists who favor granting legal residency to many of the nation's estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants met at UC Riverside to plan a response to the Minuteman Project's proposed August volunteer border watch. Their event was titled: "La Tierra es de Todos" meaning, "The Land is Everyone's."

NO IT ISN"T! This land is America and it belongs to the American people. NOT YOU! You've got alot of nerve showing up and making such stupid remarks!

The UCR event drew students, union activists, attorneys, civil rights advocates, communists, socialists and a member of Union del Barrio, a group that says the southwestern states were stolen from the Mexican people and should be separated from the United States.

Hahaha. You are still trying to use that bs story?

"That's why we fight so much for this illegal alien issue. That's why we're so passionate about it," Rico said. He predicted tense confrontations if Minuteman Project volunteer border watchers patrol San Diego.
"If they come to San Diego there will be a big response," Rico said.

Why? What's the anti-American plan you have going on?

Outside the anti-illegal immigration summit, about 200 Hispanic protesters chanted "racists go home" and waved American and Mexican flags.

Who are they calling racists? This has nothing to do with race.

"It's like they want to scare the people," Flores said.

We aren't here to scare anyone, but...
You should be very afraid if you are here illegally.

"That's why we fight so much for this illegal alien issue. That's why we're so passionate about it," Rico said. He predicted tense confrontations if Minuteman Project volunteer border watchers patrol San Diego.
"If they come to San Diego there will be a big response," Rico said.

Sounds Like a threat to me.

At the same time, about 100 activists who favor granting legal residency to many of the nation's estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants met at UC Riverside to plan a response to the Minuteman Project's proposed August volunteer border watch. Their event was titled: "La Tierra es de Todos" meaning, "The Land is Everyone's."


The UCR event drew students, union activists, attorneys, civil rights advocates, communists, socialists and a member of Union del Barrio, a group that says the southwestern states were stolen from the Mexican people and should be separated from the United States.

I like how these 2 paragraphs contradict each other. On one hand the land belongs to everyone, and next it belongs to Mexico. I think they meant to say the Land is Everyone's From Mexico Only.

How arrogant can they possibly get? We stole America? They would have to be real idiots if we 'stole' America right from under their feet. The more I think of it, WHAT AN IDIOTIC STATEMENT!

How arrogant can they possibly get? We stole America? They would have to be real idiots if we 'stole' America right from under their feet. The more I think of it, WHAT AN IDIOTIC STATEMENT!

BOGGLES THE MIND, doesn't it BB? And these are the people that are supposed to receive IN-STATE TUITION BREAKS {along with every other freebie offered with our tax Dollars}

What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.

-Dwight D. Eisenhower

We got a big dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!