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    Surge in Children, Families at the U.S. Border May Be the 'New Normal'

    December 19, 2015
    by MARK POTTER and ELIZABETH CHUCK

    A dramatic spike in unaccompanied children and families trying to slip in across the U.S.-Mexico border may be "the new normal," officials say, with some believing the surge is linked to a federal ruling that ended long-term detentions.

    The number of apprehensions of unaccompanied minors and family units — legal guardians with children under 18 — rushing the nation's southwestern border peaked last year, then fell off as Obama tapped the Federal Emergency Management Agency to figure out what to do about the young refugees.

    But in recent months, apprehensions have proliferated again: More than 10,000 undocumented children have been stopped in just the last two months, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

    The 10,588 apprehensions are a 106 percent increase over the same Oct. 1 through Nov. 30 period from last year, when 5,129 kids were picked up.

    Apprehensions of family units have jumped too, with 12,505 detentions in those two months, representing a 173 percent increase from last year's 4,577 seizures in the same time frame.

    "We could very well be seeing the new normal," Gil Kerlikowske, commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection, told NBC News.

    Sources told NBC News that many Border Patrol agents and officials believe there may be a link between the current surge and a federal court ruling over the summer, when U.S. District Judge Dolly Gee ordered federal officials to change how long they detain the thousands of mothers and children who are caught crossing illegally into the U.S. while fleeing violence in their home countries.

    In a scathing ruling in which Gee said it was "deplorable" that families and young migrants are languishing in detention centers, she argued long-term detention is also in violation of an 18-year-old court settlement that restricted how long the government could house migrants while they pursue asylum. She gave federal officials until Oct. 23 to change the policy.

    Under the new rules, an unaccompanied minor must be released from a federal detention center to a relative elsewhere in the U.S. after no more than five days, and their parent should be, too, so long as officials have determined they are not a flight risk. In rare exceptions, migrant children and families can be held up to 20 days, Gee ruled.

    The decision came several months after Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson condemned long-term detention as "an inefficient use of our resources."

    Critics call the number of migrants flowing into the country a security threat, but Homeland Security officials say families and kids crossing through is a humanitarian matter — not a threat in any way.

    Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, is among those who have spoken out against the new White House immigration policy, which he calls lax.

    "The word is, come on ahead and the border is open, the Obama administration is going to take good care of you," Goodlatte told NBC News.

    The new rules are "making the border less secure," he added.

    "That word in turn is getting back to Guatemala, to El Salvador and Honduras, and the coyotes, human smugglers that are bringing people up from those countries, are spreading that word and it is catching on like wildfire," Goodlatte said.

    But Wendy Young, president of Kids in Need of Defense, which offers free legal services to unaccompanied migrant children, said keeping children in long-term detention once they arrive in the U.S. after a harrowing journey here can have a "devastating impact."

    Plus, she added, the wave of migrants is driven more by the increase in gang and drug-related violence in their own countries — not a switch in policy once they arrive.

    "It is certainly true that smugglers will use this kind of information to propagandize to try and attract more migration so that they can make more money," she said. "But I think fundamentally, we need to understand that people wouldn't be caught up in this kind of smuggling activity unless they felt a really strong reason why they have to flee their home country to begin with."

    Sister Norma Pimentel is the Catholic Charities Director at the Sacred Heart Humanitarian Respite Center in Texas' Rio Grande Valley, which welcomes families once they have been released from detention centers by Border Patrol. The center offers them food and a warm shower.

    "They're lured into wanting to leave their hometowns because of how the violence is going on in their countries," Pimentel told NBC News. "It's not safe to be there, they're afraid for their lives, and they find that others are doing the same. So they seem to find it very convenient, well, let's leave here and maybe hopefully somewhere up north may have a better opportunity to live more in safety."

    Vilma de Montano, a mother of two teenagers, came from San Ramon, El Salvador, to the U.S. She and her children traveled through harsh terrain and on several buses during their 25-day journey.

    She told NBC News she came to the U.S. illegally to meet up with her husband because her children were being forced to sell drugs at school in El Salvador, or else be killed.

    "It hurts to leave our country. I love my country," she said.

    But, she said, if she and her kids can stay in the U.S., "I think it will be better."

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    This migration could very well be the result of job loss in those countries brought on by Chinese imports. No doubt that conditions are deteriorating but the underlying causes may be far different than what open immigration advocates claim.

    http://fpif.org/chinese_take-over_of_south_america/



    Plus, she added, the wave of migrants is driven more by the increase in gang and drug-related violence in their own countries — not a switch in policy once they arrive.

    "It is certainly true that smugglers will use this kind of information to propagandize to try and attract more migration so that they can make more money," she said. "But I think fundamentally, we need to understand that people wouldn't be caught up in this kind of smuggling activity unless they felt a really strong reason why they have to flee their home country to begin with."
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    It probably is, but that's their problem not ours. All they have to do is stop imports, build their own factories and create jobs for their own people. This is not a new concept. It's called protecting your trade and by doing so protecting your jobs, wages and economy.

    Besides people who would basically hand their children off to smugglers, are people employed in the drug business. No one else in "need" has that kind of money to pay thousands of dollars to smugglers.
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    They are coming here because, like the mexicans, they are told get into America now before they close the borders. They will give you money every month and you have groups that advocate for you; eventually the nuclear family can come too - parents, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins - FROM ONE CHILD ENTERING!

    The globalists plan to change the face of this country and the numbers is in work because of bush's act saying children at the border are brought in. They need to rescind that act. His open border with mexico has proven to bring millions to take our jobs and overpopulate. Obama can't get enough "refugees" in here fast enough. Oh the budget, the budget......
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    This is unacceptable. This folks need to be turned around at the border, minors or not!
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    Please everyone! I am not trying to make excuses for it. In fact at other times I have brought up the fact that the US Department of Justice already offers anti-gang police AND community training to other countries. This is done through the National Gang Center and also ICE has international training, since other countries are combating smuggling too.

    But along with another frequent misstatement about economics that pro immigration groups make (regarding NAFTA) we need to be clearing the air as to the real reasons people are flooding here. Regarding NAFTA, Mexico wholeheartedly embraced it, since they went on to ten other FTA's. The maquiladora industries picked up and relocated to other areas, and the workers stayed behind. Corn farmers, NOT!

    This is why I like Trump. He talks about the issues of economic globalization in a depth the others are not. Since Bernie Sanders and H. Clinton are appealing to a certain segment of the voters upset with the GOP's handling of globalization, we need to make the reality better known.

    Here is a report from the World Bank about how Chinese imports are affecting Latin America. I agree; it IS their problem. But there's nothing wrong with identifying what the underlying causes are; I've been around lots of labor groups that keep blaming conservatives for the harmful consequences of globalization.
    http://www-wds.worldbank.org/externa...tectionism.pdf

    Substitutability and Protectionism: Latin America’s
    Trade Policy and Imports from China and India
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    and Gerald Willmann
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captainron View Post
    Please everyone! I am not trying to make excuses for it. In fact at other times I have brought up the fact that the US Department of Justice already offers anti-gang police AND community training to other countries. This is done through the National Gang Center and also ICE has international training, since other countries are combating smuggling too.

    But along with another frequent misstatement about economics that pro immigration groups make (regarding NAFTA) we need to be clearing the air as to the real reasons people are flooding here. Regarding NAFTA, Mexico wholeheartedly embraced it, since they went on to ten other FTA's. The maquiladora industries picked up and relocated to other areas, and the workers stayed behind. Corn farmers, NOT!

    This is why I like Trump. He talks about the issues of economic globalization in a depth the others are not. Since Bernie Sanders and H. Clinton are appealing to a certain segment of the voters upset with the GOP's handling of globalization, we need to make the reality better known.

    Here is a report from the World Bank about how Chinese imports are affecting Latin America. I agree; it IS their problem. But there's nothing wrong with identifying what the underlying causes are; I've been around lots of labor groups that keep blaming conservatives for the harmful consequences of globalization.
    http://www-wds.worldbank.org/externa...tectionism.pdf

    Substitutability and Protectionism: Latin America’s
    Trade Policy and Imports from China and India
    Giovanni Facchini , Marcelo Olarreaga , Peri Silva ,
    and Gerald Willmann
    Yes, you're right, because globalism is global. The Central Americans are coming in because of CAFTA, Central American Free Trade Agreement just like the Mexicans who are coming in because of NAFTA, North American Free Trade Agreement.

    Trump is the only one who can stop this madness all the way around.
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