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    Ted Cruz finally says what he’d do about undocumented immigrants

    Ted Cruz finally says what he’d do about undocumented immigrants




    By Katie Zezima December 16 at 5:00 AM

    Cruz speaks at Tuesday's debate. (Robyn Beck/AFP/Getty Images)

    Sen. Ted Cruz said Tuesday he opposes granting legal status to the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States, significantly hardening his stance on immigration.


    Cruz has repeatedly sidestepped the question of what to do with undocumented immigrants currently living in the country, asserting that the U.S.-Mexico border must be secured before addressing the issue. A plan for what to do with undocumented people living in the country was conspicuously absent from an immigration proposal Cruz unveiled last month.


    It is the farthest Cruz has gone on the issue, and the answer came during the Republican debate in an exchange with Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla)., with whom Cruz has repeatedly tangled over the issue of immigration.


    Read: It’s on — Rubio and Cruz clash over immigration and the GOP’s future


    “I have never supported legalization, and I do not intend to support legalization,” Cruz said.

    Cruz's campaign chairman, Chad Sweet, told reporters after the debate that the candidate "unequivocally" rejects granting undocumented people legal status.

    In an interview with CNN, Cruz said he would "enforce the law" and first deport criminals who are in the country illegally. Immigration law, he said, "provides that if someone is here illegally and is apprehended, that they should be sent back to their home country."


    When asked about enforcement, Sweet said the campaign supports "attrition through enforcement," which some Hispanic groups who met with Cruz's campaign said they are concerned means self-deportation, or making life so difficult for undocumented people that they return to their home countries. Mitt Romney supported self-deportation as the Republican nominee in 2012.


    A number of Cruz's positions on immigration have shifted in the past few years. Cruz, who bills himself as a "champion of legal immigration," once supported doubling the caps on green cards and increasing the number of the visas for high tech workers – known as H1-B visas – fivefold. Cruz now wants new limits on legal immigration and to temporarily halt the H1-B program, which has been rife with reports of abuse. He introduced a bill to reform it this month.


    Read: Cruz takes the gloves off, attacking Rubio on immigration


    Cruz has accused Rubio of being too soft on immigration because he co-sponsored a comprehensive Senate bill that would have created a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. Cruz refers to the legislation, which died in the House, as “amnesty," and the Texas Republican has long opposed allowing undocumented immigrants a way toward citizenship. On the debate stage Tuesday, Cruz tied Rubio's support for the bill to President Obama and Sen. Chuck Schumer (R-N.Y.)


    Rubio claims that he and Cruz have very similar views on immigration, noting that Cruz pushed an amendment that would have allowed undocumented people to receive work permits. The amendment prevented them from obtaining citizenship. Cruz's campaign said the legislation was meant as a poison pill.


    Cruz released his immigration plan in Orlando last month — on Rubio's home turf. Cruz said he would halt increases in immigration "so long as American unemployment remains unacceptably high," but didn't say what the threshold would be for allowing more people to enter the country."


    Read: Ted Cruz unveils immigration plan — on Marco Rubio’s home turf


    He skirted the question of what to do with the 11 million undocumented in the country, stating: "Consistently the approach of the Democrats and the media is to focus on the people who here illegally."


    Cruz wants to triple the number of Border Patrol agents, build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border and increase surveillance there. He also wants to end birthright citizenship — the process by which any baby born in the United States is granted citizenship, regardless of legal status of his or her parents.


    "It's legal good, illegal bad," Cruz said about the immigration system in Orlando. "Why is that so complicated for anyone in Washington to understand?"


    Sean Sullivan contributed reporting from Las Vegas


    Katie Zezima is a national political correspondent covering the 2016 presidential election. She previously served as a White House correspondent for The Post.

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    Playing Follow the Leader is not leadership. And saying now you don't support legalization after you've been caught lying like a "dishonest extremely cagey wiggle roomer slippery weasel" on national television in a national debate before 18 million Americans about having supported it in the past is not a trust-building move, it's proof you aren't trustworthy at all and will say anything to try to get the nomination, even going so far in the debate last night to reveal classified information trying to make a point.

    Last night, Cruz talked the most of anyone, when as it turns out, he should have talked the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Playing Follow the Leader is not leadership. And saying now you don't support legalization after you've been caught lying like a "dishonest extremely cagey wiggle roomer slippery weasel" on national television in a national debate before 18 million Americans about having supported it in the past is not a trust-building move, it's proof you aren't trustworthy at all and will say anything to try to get the nomination, even going so far in the debate last night to reveal classified information trying to make a point.

    Last night, Cruz talked the most of anyone, when as it turns out, he should have talked the least.
    You can lambaste Cruz all you want, but that still does nothing to change the fact that he is our best #2 option. I believe the ALIPAC poll that was recently completed showed the same thing since the #2 candidate supported by ALIPAC members was Cruz. Do you personally have another candidate in mind if Trump's campaign were to go south? If it's not Cruz, who is it? I think I've asked you that question on another thread but got no response.

    You do realize that the extremely constant and consistent harsh criticisms of Cruz may very well alienate many ALIPAC supporters don't you? If I'm not mistaken, William, has already touched on this.

    I have absolutely no problem with identifying and discussing problems or potential problems about any candidate. However, I think your attacks on Cruz are a little excessive considering the support he has here at ALIPAC. What I mean by "excessive" is you keep repeating the same attack information thread after thread. Trump has issues too but you don't see me or anyone else constantly hashing them out. For example, I find it extremely concerning that Trump says all the "good" illegals can come right back. That is a known fact though, so I don't feel the need to keep repeating it. Okay, I'm starting to ramble now, so I'll just leave you with this one last thought. Working so hard to knock Cruz out of the saddle serves not good purpose for ALIPAC, Trump's campaign, or the Country at this time. If the polls are to be believed Trump's lead is substantial and no one, not even Cruz, is an immediate threat. Personally, I think having Trump and Cruz as #1 and #2 going into the primaries would be a good problem to have. I know it's driving the GOP establishment absolutely bonkers and, IMO, that is a very good thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    You can lambaste Cruz all you want, but that still does nothing to change the fact that he is our best #2 option. I believe the ALIPAC poll that was recently completed showed the same thing since the #2 candidate supported by ALIPAC members was Cruz. Do you personally have another candidate in mind if Trump's campaign were to go south? If it's not Cruz, who is it? I think I've asked you that question on another thread but got no response.

    You do realize that the extremely constant and consistent harsh criticisms of Cruz may very well alienate many ALIPAC supporters don't you? If I'm not mistaken, William, has already touched on this.

    I have absolutely no problem with identifying and discussing problems or potential problems about any candidate. However, I think your attacks on Cruz are a little excessive considering the support he has here at ALIPAC. What I mean by "excessive" is you keep repeating the same attack information thread after thread. Trump has issues too but you don't see me or anyone else constantly hashing them out. For example, I find it extremely concerning that Trump says all the "good" illegals can come right back. That is a known fact though, so I don't feel the need to keep repeating it. Okay, I'm starting to ramble now, so I'll just leave you with this one last thought. Working so hard to knock Cruz out of the saddle serves not good purpose for ALIPAC, Trump's campaign, or the Country at this time. If the polls are to be believed Trump's lead is substantial and no one, not even Cruz, is an immediate threat. Personally, I think having Trump and Cruz as #1 and #2 going into the primaries would be a good problem to have. I know it's driving the GOP establishment absolutely bonkers and, IMO, that is a very good thing!
    Since when is someone who wanted to legalize illegal aliens, who has both supported and proposed legislation to dramatically increase legal immigration, and then lied to the American people about those positions on national TV someone our forum wants to protect with silence?

    William said to withhold comment unless there were events and articles to support them. I posted the videos and articles supporting my comments so I don't understand your concern.

    I have no reason at all to believe Trump's campaign is or will be going anywhere except to the Convention and then straight to the White House.
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