Thread: Tone down migrant debate

McCAIN HAS TO GO! So does Kennedy, Specter and others that are showing their total arrogant disregard for their oath of office and the American people! My friend who sent this to me took McCain on at the Sun Lakes town hall meeting and he got mad as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!! The first letter is the account of what went on at the town hall meeting.

Senator McCain, the American people WILL NOT BE SILENCED!!!!!!!


I MAY HAVE ENGRAVED ON MY TOMBSTONE:
"SHE MADE JOHN McCAIN MAD!"


After attending Senator McCain's morning Town Hall yesterday, I was so disgusted at the way the local politicians censored citizen questions that I abandoned the idea of attending the evening session. The Tempe mayor laid down the ground rules: only questions and no "speeches" (which obviously included statements that disputed McCain's claims).

It was a royal sham from the word go, just like Bush press conferences. I'm sure it was packed with McCain toadies, because they started a standing ovation when he walked in and of course most people joined in (with a few exceptions like me).

Thanks to my friend Annette, who encouraged me to accompany her to the evening session, where the McCain held a real Town Hall rather than the stage production choreographed by Hizzoner the Tempe mayor.

But the Tempe experience revealed the one-liners and sound-bytes McCain used to promote his amnesty and discourage any disagreement. In promoting his bill (that he carefully avoided calling an "amnesty"), he said there were only 3 options (1) maintain the status quot, (2) allow them to stay or (3) a mass roundup, which he dismissed as impossible claiming the busses needed would stretch from San Diego to Alaska. Twice in the morning at the Tempe session and at least 3 times in the evening, he challenged the audience, "If you have another solution, give it to me and I promise to take it to the Senate for review." Of course that was just another of his ill-advised challenges used to condescendingly dismiss anyone who disagrees, secure in his arrogance that no one will dare to call his bluff. The recent "$50 per hour lettuce-picker jobs" are just another example.

In justifying the need for amnesty, he cited that the dictionary defined amnesty as "forgiveness" that required allowing them to remain in the US, dismissing any disagrement with the one-liner "Then you're reading a different dictionary than I am."

It was a real achievement to even get a turn at the mike, because the country club ballroom at Sun Lakes retirement community was jammed, at least 1500 people. Thanks again to Annette and two elderly ladies who kept poking the aide with their canes to remind him he promised me a turn at the mike.

Finally my turn came. I took a deep breath and jumped in, determined to keep going even if he tried to interrupt and talk over me:
"Senator, I'll begin by answering a question you've asked several times this evening, and then I have a question of my own." You've asked for an alternate plan for dealing with the 11 million illegal aliens in the US, and that plan has been documented by Mark Krikorian of Center for Immigration Studies in DC. It's called "Attrition through Enforcement," and it sets out a 'comprehensive' strategy well known to Congressman Tom Tancredo of Colorado and the House Immigration Reform Caucus. The plan has been summarized very succintly and clearly by Mike Cutler, retired from 27 years' service in Treasury, Customs and INS, who often says "Nobody breaks into the amusement park when the rides are closed."

"So Senator, you close down the rides--crack down on the employers as you promised to do 20 years ago when you voted for the "one time amnesty," end the publicly-funded benefits to illegal aliens and their families as we did with Prop 200, end the government grants to agencies who help illegal aliens like Catholic Charities and Arizona Interfaith, and end the "anchor baby" citizenship nonsense that enables illegal alien families to "piggy-back" on their US-born children. And Senator, that won't require a constitutional amendment as you claim--we need only to pass HR 698, intriduced earlier in the seesion by Congressman Charlie Norwood of GA. If you're not familiar with these provisions, I know that Congressman Tom would welcome the opportunity to outline the option with you. So that leaves you to show whether you're a man of your word and will take the option for Senate consideration as you've promised."

"Now for my question, Senator. The agencies that will be responsible for administering and enforcing your McCain-Kennedy Amnesty (and it IS an amnesty, Senator)..."

He then interrupted with a condescening one-liner that he used at the morning session, "..then you're reading a different dictionary than I am..." to which I replied, "Senator, I don't used dictionaries to read laws. I read this law in United States Code Title 8, Section 1324."

Although I wasn't watching McCain, my friend Annette told me he'd been pacing up to then, but when I didn't back down at his dismissive comments, his face began to get red and she commented that it was obvious he was mad. She also said that the room went dead quiet; perhaps the audience was eager to see how McCain would react. I'm amazed that he didn't continue talking over me, but perhaps like most bullies, they back down when they find someone who isn't intimidated by them.

But I knew that stooping would mean losing control of the mike, and continued on:
"And Senator, Section 1324 defines illegal presence in the US and prescribes only 1 penalty for illegal presence in the US--deportation."

"The two Dept of Homeland Security agencies charged with insuring compliance are CIS--Citizenship & Immigration Services and ICE--Immigration & Customs Enforcement. Their historical incompetence and non-performance of their job is well-documented by the GAO back to 1995, they were charged by Congress to eliminate the 3-million applicant backlog by the end of FY 2006, and their report last November plainly stated that new laws, such as a guest-worker plan, would seriously hinder accomplishing that objective. Corruption was added to bungling and incompetence when the CIS Security Chief resigned, blowing the whistle on bribes to CIS employees in the form of money, gifts and sexual favors."

"Senator, these are the same people who mailed automatic renewals of student visas to flight schools for students killed in the 9/11 Islamic terrorist attacks on New York and DC. Senator, how do you expect Americans to believe that your promises of enforcement will be fulfilled by such people?"

When I finished, I was dry and had to find a water fountain. I heard just enough of his reply to hear him say he was familiar with "my" plan and wasn't going to take it back to the Senate. He diverted the subject by telling how the Irish had difficulties when they first came to America but eventually assimilated. He never answered my question of how agencies that can't and won't enforce current laws can enforce new ones.

Several people slapped me on the back as I left the room looking for water, one had even attended the morning session in Tempe and said, "You said exactly what I wanted to but couldn't."

I returned to the room just as the meeting ended, and met Annette out in the lobby. But the best part was to come: a couple approached me and the man asked, "Do you work in immigraton because you know about the subject?" When he learned I'm a computer analyst, he asked where I learned what I know, I told him I grew up in Southern California--the best classroom there is.

I learned he was a former ICE chief for their Phoenix office, so it was a real compliment when a front-line profiessional says something like that.

On the drive home when Annette told me how mad McCain had become when I didn't back down from his condescending treatment, the effort in attending that night became worth it.

During the meeting, about 90% of the questions/comments were on immigration, maybe even more. Any supporters of McCain's amnesty bill were quiet that night, because everyone speaking on immigration opposed his amnesty. It's clear that despite the overwhelming voter opposition, it didn't change McCain's determination to shove this down our throats, just as he did in 1986.

Arizonans can't vote him out of the Senate for another 4 years, but he has other plans--the GOP presidential nomination in 2008. Americans in other states don't know the REAL John McCain like Arizonans do, but we have two years to educate them. I'm sure his stubborn insistence on this illegal alien amnesty will raise his visibility with Americans on an issue that he probably prefers would have remained "low-profile."

When McCain originally took his "pro-illegal alien amnesty" position several years ago, I'm sure they expected this amnesty to sail through Congress easily. I doubt he expected to have the issue become the hot and visible issue it is today.

Let's hope every pro-illegal alien senator experienced similar confrontations during their recess.

Sandy Miller
Phoenix



JOHN McCAIN WANTS AMERICANS TO
"TONE DOWN" THE RHETORIC!

Do you believe John McCain expects Americans to "tone down" their rhetoric? Talk about people in glass houses throwing stones!

The morning after the Sun Lakes Town Hall, McCain appeared at another "staged" event, this time produced and directed by the Mayor & Council of Scottsdale. He has the audacity to permit us to have a national debate, but only after we stop "calling it like it is."

Whining & Sniveling is the only name for it. He's permitted to "tell it like it is," but refuses to allow us to do the same. What a two-faced hypocrite! And of course he characterizes those who "tell it like it is" as "ugly." Next McCain will be playing the race card and calling us "hateful" to squelch our speaking out!

I'm more convinced than ever that John McCain knows his sponsoring illegal alien amnesty will jeopardize his chance at the White House in 2008. He's afraid that American voters won't forget his name on the "McCain-Kennedy Amnesty" bill. He's probably right, and asking us to adopt his "politically expedient" language just calls more attention to his "shell game."

McCain asking people to "tone down" their forthright language! What a hoot!



Friday, April 21 2006


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=63765


Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., expresses his desire to change terms used in the immigration debate Thursday at Scottsdale Center for the Performing Arts.

Toru Kawana Tribune

McCain: Tone down migrant debate
By Paul Giblin, Tribune
April 21, 2006

Americans need to have a national discussion about immigration issues, but first they have to refine their vocabulary on the topic, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said Thursday in Scottsdale. “I’ve seen kind of an ugly side to this debate,” he told about 300 people at the Mayor and City Council Breakfast meeting.

In particular, McCain is troubled by the use of the terms “illegal alien” and “amnesty.”

“Illegal alien” suggests that the 11 million to 12 million border crossers in the United States came from another planet, he said. He prefers the term “illegal immigrant.”

“These are human beings, who came here for the same reason our forefathers came here,” McCain said. Workers from Mexico and elsewhere are drawn by economic opportunity.

“Amnesty” suggests a policy under which offenders are forgiven and exempt from punishment. That mischaracterizes any of the immigration proposals being considered in Congress, McCain said.

He prefers the term “earned citizenship” to describe provisions in the bill he co-sponsored with Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.

The bill would require illegal immigrants already living in the United States to pay a $2,000 fine, pay back taxes, learn English and work six years before being granted legal residency status. At that point, they would have to apply for citizenship, which would take several more years.

“That’s not amnesty. Amnesty is forgiveness. This is earned citizenship,” McCain said.

The bill stalled in the Senate before Congress took a two-week break for Easter and Passover.

We need thousands of more people like your friend to stand up and call these congress people on their worthless rhetoric. Well done to your friend!!!

“Illegal alien” suggests that the 11 million to 12 million border crossers in the United States came from another planet, he said. He prefers the term “illegal immigrant.”

Federal law describes anyone in this country illegally, as an "illegal alien". John McCain, as a US Senator, surely knows this. What happened to the straight talk express?

Any supporters of McCain's amnesty bill were quiet that night, because everyone speaking on immigration opposed his amnesty. It's clear that despite the overwhelming voter opposition, it didn't change McCain's determination to shove this down our throats, just as he did in 1986.

There again, is and honest "poll" of how the majority of Americans feel, and it is happening over, and over, at town hall meetings in every state. I attended Senator Carper's town hall meeting this past Sunday afternoon in Wilmington, and the sentiments were the same. By far the most frequent topic brought up by the public (including myself) was immigration reform and, without exception, everyone was opposed to any sort of amnesty. Carper floundered and flip-flopped badly, that I was actually embarassed for him.

Back to McCain and his ilk, including Spector, Kennedy, ect. All of these folks supported the miserably failed legislation that resulted in nothing more than the 1986 amnesty of 3+ million illegals. The beefed up enforcment at both the border and the workplace included in the bill never materialized and here we are.....20 illegals later, and they are trying to dupe the American public, AGAIN, with the same plan.

How DARE they?

Tone it down?? o, yes indeedy...we should continue to call these invaders 'undocumented workers'....the 'civil rights' marchers are of course NOT anarchists or insurrectionists....those who promote reconquista are not seditionists, they are merely people who want to make a better life...for THEMSELVES...

Excuse me, McCain...these folks already have a country..but they can't have OURS...crawl back under your rock you traitor.

Another term I'm fed up with is 'we're a nation of immigrants'...hey, our major immigration was 150 years AGO...Americans are native born...and I hope someone is NOT going to tell me that Mexicans are not 'immigrants' because they ARE...Mexico was NOT their original country...Spain was....

Rant rant rave...

MJ

check out these pictures.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1620198/posts

We should NEVER tone down our expressions or feelings toward sell-out politicians, nor toward anyone else promoting illegal immigration. Political correctness is OUT! It's time every American said it like it is. I predict that the storm of anger and hatred that will result in this country if American citizens are once again sold out with amnesty is going to be HUGE.

Yeah tone it down. Because it's ok for the illegal lawless thugs and their supporters to go marching into the streets demanding rights they aren't entitled to, waving the Mexican flag in our faces while they trash and burn our flag, preaching racism, sedition and the overthrow of our government, and committing random acts of violence, but don't you stupid sheep say a word about it. You just keep paying your taxes like a good foolish stupid American moron that you are so the illegals can continue to get a free ride so our corporate masters will be kept happy with their ultra fat 9 figure pensions. Tone it down my arse. I'll tone it down when I get what I and the American people want. Comprende essay?

It's just amazing just how insanely arrogant these useless politicians have become. They act like facist dicators rather than that of the people's will.

When will American People wake up and get rid of these career cesspools?

Originally Posted by ohflyingone

check out these pictures.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1620198/posts

ROFLMAO 1st picture , 1st guy to the left has 6 fingers......

Yes they would love it if we toned down wouldn't they? More arrogant talk down the nose to our slaves mentality.
The 1st doctrune to accomplish to communisum in the Marxist belief is slavery. The Mexican Illegals aren't the only ones thought of as slaves anymore. Whe our polticians speak to us like 8 year old children. And ignore our desires, needs and saftey. Then to them we are nothing more than their slaves too.