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    You have to bait Democrats. With the Mueller circus and the Manafort case they, once again, started making a big deal out of foreign influence. Yet they are the worst offenders in that regard. I would start out talking about how certain Dems in the past have made an issue out of foreign influence. One of them, Barack Obama, in protesting the influence of AIPAC on behalf of Israel.

    Found this article that explains what the FARA law is about and how Democarts will cite it, when they think it is to their political advantage.
    Washington's FARA Frenzy Spurs New Legal Business

    The FARA feeding frenzy had already been building in recent years, but it gained traction in the months since Manafort's indictment last fall.

    By Ryan Lovelace | September 27, 2018 at 03:10 PM

    The U.S. Justice Department’s aggressive enforcement of the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) has drawn blood throughout the consultant class in Washington, with lawyers assessing the casualties and prowling for new business.
    “Everybody and his brother is starting a FARA practice,” said Robert Kelner, chair of Covington & Burling’s elections and political law practice, “or claiming to already have one.”
    President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort fended off a trial in September involving his failing to register under FARA when lobbying for Ukraine, and prosecutors similarly brought charges in August against Washington lobbyist Sam Patten for failing to register under FARA.
    Several other investigations are underway. The cumulative effect is causing sleepless nights for lobbyists, lawyers and consultants alike.
    The FARA feeding frenzy had already been building in recent years, but it gained traction in the months since Manafort’s indictment last fall.
    FARA began in 1938 as part of an effort to fight Nazi propaganda, but it may be just entering its heyday in the latter half of the 2010s. Between 1966 and 2015, the Justice Department “only brought seven criminal FARA cases,” according to a 2016 Justice Department Inspector General’s report.
    There are two main schools of thought about the future of FARA business, said Joshua Rosenstein, a member of Sandler Reiff Lamb Rosenstein & Birkenstock who advises clients on foreign-agent regulation. The first says that when Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe ends, FARA will no longer be a hot-button issue. The second school of thought, which is where Rosenstein said he lands, says the FARA uptick that predated Mueller will continue even after the Russia probe fades from the public eye.
    Several other leading FARA practitioners, such as Tessa Capeloto of Wiley Rein, expressed a similar outlook, predicting plenty of work in the years ahead for lawyers beyond regulatory compliance because FARA violations can result in civil and criminal penalties.
    The uptick in FARA activity coincided with the arrival of David Laufman as chief of the National Security Division’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section at the Justice Department in December 2014. Laufman, who oversaw the probes of Russian influence in the 2016 election and Hillary Clinton’s private email and server, said he had responsibility for the department’s enforcement of FARA “in as appropriately muscular fashion as we were obligated to do.”
    Laufman, who returned to private practice in February 2018, acknowledged that the Justice Department “considerably stepped up” FARA enforcement during his tenure, just as the inspector general’s 2016 report found fault with the National Security Division and said there was a “lack of a comprehensive department enforcement strategy on FARA.”
    Justice Department officials have maintained that the increasing FARA enforcement does not evidence a reinterpretation of the FARA statute. As part of its enforcement efforts, Laufman said DOJ lawyers “weren’t restricting ourselves” to looking only at lobbyists and public relations firms because the statute did not restrict FARA enforcement to only lobbyists and PR firms.
    Covington’s Kelner is an expert FARA practitioner whose defense of Michael Flynn, former national security adviser to Trump, helped raise Covington’s profile as a firm well-equipped to handle foreign lobbying issues. After his 2017 ousting from Trump’s administration, Flynn registered as a foreign agent for lobbying work involving the Turkish government and later pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI.
    Now, Kelner said he is increasingly being retained by other law firms seeking to understand FARA, as he said the core FARA bar is exceedingly small. He said he thinks it is clear the FARA unit has taken a “narrower” view of exemptions to FARA in recent years.
    “The problem with FARA is that it’s a woefully vague statute,” Kelner said. “It’s arguably unconstitutionally vague.”
    Such ambiguity has prompted confusion within the legal profession, said King & Spalding partner Tom Spulak. He said misunderstandings persist about the interpretations of differing requirements for registration under the Lobbying Disclosure Act as compared to registration under FARA.
    Legislative proposals to address and reform FARA from both Republicans and Democrats in Congress are on “life support,” Laufman said, because the Trump administration has not shown interest.
    Still, Laufman said he thinks there is a “heightened awareness” of the Justice Department’s acute focus on FARA. Laufman said he thinks some lobbying shops were taking advantage of the commercial exemption to FARA, which exempts “private and nonpolitical activities in furtherance of the bona fide trade or commerce.” He added that he thought lobbying firms began reassessing their registration requirements before Laufman left the DOJ and have continued to do so in the months since his departure.
    Kelner, however, said he thinks the increased FARA enforcement has done little to rein in lobbyists’ behavior, at least so far.
    “I don’t think it’s changed behavior very much because I think we’re still pretty early in this enforcement initiative,” Kelner said. “I think there would have to be much more aggressive enforcement than we’re seeing now to get industry’s attention.”
    Kelner compared the situation to heightened enforcement of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, under the administrations of Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, suggesting it would take at least five years of aggressive enforcement before a major impact is felt.
    In the meantime, Kelner said FARA is becoming an element of more firms’ white-collar practices, whereas it was previously viewed as part of a regulatory, international trade or political law practice.
    Alongside white-shoe firms and K-Street lawyers, the new crop of lawyers interested in FARA will also have to compete for business with Laufman. Since leaving the Justice Department, he has reopened his solopractice specializing in government investigations, white-collar criminal defense, and corporate compliance—especially regarding FARA.
    “I wrestled for months after I left with whether to return to a big firm along the lines of where I’d worked before or whether to return to my own practice,” Laufman said. “And ultimately I came down on the side of seeking to maximize my independence and autonomy.”
    He said he misses his colleagues and noted the FARA unit has his total and unequivocal support. That is, he joked, unless they pursue one of his clients.https://www.law.com/nationallawjourn...20190025212758




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    I recall that President Trump asked for Senator Mitch McConnell to use the Nuclear Option (51). He said there were not enough Senate Republicans to vote yes to secure border funding. TN Senator Lamar Alexander, Utah Senator Orrin Hatch, Senator Jeff Flake said, "NO." Such a shame.
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    Shutdown resumes in 3 weeks so this is not that big a deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Text Driving Is Deadly View Post
    Shutdown resumes in 3 weeks so this is not that big a deal.
    Will it resume or will that be another broken promise?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders View Post
    Yeah, elect more R's like Lankford, Graham, and all the other open border R's, that will get us a wall, that will stop this invasion, in your world.

    Just what side are you really on with the invasion of this country?

    You continuously scream about electing more R's.

    I've NEVER once heard you ask or demand that the R's do what they were elected to do. You defend them regardless of what they do.
    Well, I guess you missed my multiple demands they reopen this government, implement Judy's Plan B, "don't let them in", NO DACA, NO AMNESTY, and a whole range of other things.

    That said, I'm as happy with my Republicans, based on their HUUUGE list of accomplishments these past two years, as I've ever been which is why I'm so disappointed they lost the House mid-term elections. But that's how voters wanted to bounce the ball, so we'll just have to deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post


    Nothing stupid about standing up for what you believe in. It's sort of strange that you always seem to defend Trump when he makes a bad move, but then condemn him when he finally takes a stand to keep a promise. Strange indeed.
    I don't believe in government shutdowns, never have. So it shouldn't seem "strange indeed" to you that I took a stand against it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Text Driving Is Deadly View Post
    Shutdown resumes in 3 weeks so this is not that big a deal.
    No, no. He won't shutdown in 3 weeks. He'll move to building the wall another way, like having the military build the wall like he was planning on doing all along, if they don't find some funding for the wall in this conference committee exercise. And in my opinion, he'll never make another stupid mistake like this again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    No, no. He won't shutdown in 3 weeks. He'll move to building the wall another way, like having the military build the wall like he was planning on doing all along, if they don't find some funding for the wall in this conference committee exercise. And in my opinion, he'll never make another stupid mistake like this again.

    If he was planning on having the military build the wall, why hasn't he already done that? or why isn't he doing that right now? like you were claiming he had already done a couple weeks ago.

    I am all for the military building the wall, but I am sick and tired of hearing he is doing it, or he is planning on doing it, when it isn't happening.
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    Maybe you should stop listening to the people telling you it isn't happening.
    Last edited by Judy; 01-26-2019 at 07:28 AM.
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    Should have had the military build it TWO YEARS AGO January 2016!

    It would have been done by now and the Republicans had the House and the Senate!

    Stop kicking this can down the road...deport them all and turn them away at our border.

    No papers, no entry, no rights!
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