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    Trump Claims He ‘Never Said’ He’d Build a ‘Concrete’ Wall. Here He is Promising a Chi

    Trump Claims He ‘Never Said’ He’d Build a ‘Concrete’ Wall. Here He is Promising a Child That Exact Thing at Rally

    by Tommy Christopher | Jan 7th, 2019, 2:44 pm 313


    Donald Trump now claims that he “never said” he would build a concrete wall, but at a campaign rally in 2015, he brought a little child onstage at a rally to promise exactly that: a wall made of “hardened concrete” and “rebar steel.”

    At a Rose Garden press conference last week, CNN White House correspondent Kaitlan Collins pressed Trump on his campaign promises that he would build a wall, and Mexico would pay for it.

    “You ran your campaign promising supporters that Mexico is going to pay for the wall, and that the wall was going to be made of concrete,” Collins said, and asked how Trump can say he hasn’t failed that promise.

    After several interruptions and digressions, Trump got around to telling Collins “As far as concrete, I said I was going to build a wall. I never said, ‘I’m going to build a concrete…’ I said I’m going to build a wall.”

    “You said concrete,” Collins interjected.

    On Monday, Toronto Star reporter and Trump Lie-ologist extraordinaire Daniel Dale pointed out that Trump had not only promised a concrete wall, he had done so in great detail.

    In the bizarre clip unearthed by Dale, Trump is seen taking a question from a child in the audience at a Dec. 2, 2015 rally in Manassas, Virginia.

    “So you’re going to build the wall? What is it going to be made out of?” the child asks Trump, who then makes a show of inviting the kid onstage.

    Trump then awkwardly hoists the kid up to the microphone on the podium.

    “What are the walls going to be made out of?” the kid asks twice more, as the crowd applauds.

    “I tell you what, it will be made of hardened concrete, and it will be made of rebar and steel,” Trump says, later clarifying that “it’s going to be made out of concrete and rebar, rebar’s steel, and we’re going to set ’em in nice, heavy foundations.”

    Trump has also previously told supporters that the barrier he was promising them was “not a fence, it’s a wall.”

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    From concrete wall to steel fences: A timeline of Trump's evolving border barrier concept

    William Cummings, USA TODAY Published 12:35 p.m. ET Jan. 8, 2019 | Updated 2:18 p.m. ET Jan. 10, 2019

    President Trump said a "see-through wall of steel" will be stronger and "more beautiful" than a concrete border wall. USA TODAY



    WASHINGTON – "SECURE THE BORDER! BUILD A WALL!" read a tweet from Donald Trump on Aug. 14, 2014.

    That was the first tweet in the which the businessman who would be president shared his vision of a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border to stop the flow of migrants into the U.S. That vision would become the cornerstone of the platform that would carry the former "Apprentice" star into the White House.
    The president is now locked in a bitter stalemate with congressional Democrats over funding for the wall, leading to an ongoing partial government shutdown. Amid the largely public, and most fruitless, negotiations to reopen the government, the president has redefined his idea of what a border wall should be.

    As recently as Dec. 31 the president tweeted that an "all concrete Wall was NEVER ABANDONED," but on Sunday he said he was surrendering the idea of a concrete wall for a "steel barrier."
    "They don't like concrete, so we'll give them steel," Trump told reporters, framing the change as a concession to Democrats.

    FILE - In this March 13, 2018, file photo, President Donald Trump speaks during a tour as he reviews border wall prototypes in San Diego. A relentless stream of U.S. policy shifts in 2018 has amounted to one of the boldest attacks on all types of immigration that the country has ever seen. Some see it as a tug-of-war between foundational national ideals and a fight for a new path forward led by Trump. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci, File) ORG XMIT: NYAG503 (Photo: Evan Vucci, AP)


    Trump border wall: Is he building what he pledged during the campaign?
    But the president's concept has evolved many times over the years. Here's a look back:

    March 5, 2015: 'An impenetrable WALL'

    Trump's call for a border wall became frequent in 2015. Months before he declared his candidacy, he tweeted, "I want nothing to do with Mexico other than to build an impenetrable WALL and stop them from ripping off U.S."
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    Mexico's court system corrupt.I want nothing to do with Mexico other than to build an impenetrable WALL and stop them from ripping off U.S.


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    May 20, 2015: 'Nobody can build a fence like me'

    Early in his conception of the border barrier, Trump sometimes used the terms "fence" and "wall" interchangeably.

    "I would build a wall like nobody can build a wall," Trump said in an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network.

    "Nobody can build a fence like me," Trump said in the same interview. "I build great buildings all over the world." He later said Mexico "will pay for that fence."

    June 16, 2015: 'Great wall on our southern border'

    When Trump announced he was running for president, he said many Mexican migrants were bringing crime and drugs. His solution: a great wall.

    "I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively, I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall," he promised.
    "Mark my words."

    July 17, 2015: 'A wall is better than fencing'

    "A wall is better than fencing, and it’s much more powerful," Trump told The Washington Post. "It’s more secure. It’s taller."

    Aug. 19, 2015: 'The Trump Wall'

    Trump said the existing border barrier "is not a wall" but a "little fence" that can easily be scaled with a ladder.

    "I'm talking about a wall," he told a crowd in New Hampshire. "I want it to be so beautiful because maybe someday they'll call it The Trump Wall."

    Trump's estimates of the wall's height varied over time, ranging from 30 feet to more than 50 feet.
    "There's no ladder going over that," he said. "If they ever go up there, they're in trouble, because there's no way to get down. Maybe a rope."

    Aug. 24, 2015: 'A very big, very beautiful door'

    "This will be a wall with a very big, very beautiful door, because we want the legals to come back into the country," Trump told CBS News.

    Aug. 25, 2015: 'It's not a fence'

    As the Republican primary campaign heated up, Trump clapped back at former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush for calling the barrier a fence.

    "Jeb Bush just talked about my border proposal to build a 'fence.' It's not a fence, Jeb, it's a WALL, and there's a BIG difference!" he said.

    The same day, Univision's Jorge Ramos asked Trump how he would build a wall along the 1,900-mile border.

    "Very easy. I’m a builder," he said. "What’s more complicated is building a building that’s 95 stories tall. OK?"
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    Jeb Bush just talked about my border proposal to build a "fence." It's not a fence, Jeb, it's a WALL, and there's a BIG difference!


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    Dec. 2, 2015: 'It's going to be made of hardened concrete'

    "What are the walls going to made of?" asked a boy held aloft by Trump on stage a campaign rally in Virginia.

    "I'll tell you what it's going to be made of. It's going to be made of hardened concrete, and it's going to be made out of rebar and steel."


    July 18, 2016: RNC wants wall on entire border

    Although not directly from Trump, the GOP platform published for the 2016 Republican National Convention called for a "wall along our southern border."

    "The border wall must cover the entirety of the southern border," the platform said, although Trump said as far back as August 2015 that the wall would not need to run the entire border because of natural barriers.
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    New GOP platform now includes language that supports the border wall. We will build the wall and MAKE AMERICA SAFE AGAIN!


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    June 21, 2017: A solar wall

    "We're thinking about building the wall as a solar wall so it creates energy and pays for itself and this way Mexico will have to pay much less money, and that's good, right? Is that good?" Trump told a crowd in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

    The solar wall idea was later abandoned
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    July 12, 2017: 'You need transparency'

    Trump added a new component to the wall last summer: It has to be see-through. And, for the first time, he proposed a "steel wall with openings."

    "One of the things with the wall is you need transparency. You have to be able to see through it," Trump told reporters on Air Force One. "So it could be a steel wall with openings, but you have to have openings because you have to see what's on the other side of the wall.

    "When they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don't see them – they hit you on the head with 60 pounds of stuff? It's over."

    Jan. 11, 2018: Trump seems to move away from concrete wall

    Trump explained to The Wall Street Journal that border officials told him "they need see-through" and indicated a concrete wall might be the wrong thing because of that.

    "We need a form of fence or window," Trump said.

    "If you have a wall this thick and it’s solid concrete from ground to 32 feet high, which is a high wall, much higher than people planned. You go 32 feet up and you don’t know who’s over here," he explained. "If you don’t know who’s there, you’ve got a problem."

    He also said the wall did not need to run the course of the entire border because of natural barriers. But he also insisted "the wall’s identical" to what he promised on the campaign trail.

    Jan. 18, 2018: 'The Wall is the Wall'

    "The Wall is the Wall, it has never changed or evolved from the first day I conceived of it," Trump tweeted in response to a Washington Post report that White House Chief of Staff John Kelly said "a concrete wall from sea to shining sea" was not going to happen and that Trump's campaign promises about the wall were "uninformed."
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    The Wall is the Wall, it has never changed or evolved from the first day I conceived of it. Parts will be, of necessity, see through and it was never intended to be built in areas where there is natural protection such as mountains, wastelands or tough rivers or water.....


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    March 13, 2018: 'We want to make it perfecto'

    Trump reviewed eight prototypes for the wall in San Diego during a visit to the border.
    All of the designs were concrete, but only one included the see-through component Trump said was necessary. He also repeated the need for a tall wall, comparing some migrants to "professional mountain climbers."

    "We want to make it perfecto," he said of the wall.


    Dec. 21, 2018: 'Steel Slat Barrier'

    Trump shared a design of a tall fence on Twitter, which he referred to as a "Steel Slat Barrier."
    "Totally effective while at the same time beautiful!" he said.
    Dec. 25, 2018: 'A wall, a fence, whatever they’d like to call it'

    "I can’t tell you when the government is going to reopen," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office. "I can tell you it’s not going to be open until we have a wall, a fence, whatever they’d like to call it. I’ll call it whatever they want. But it’s all the same thing. It’s a barrier from people pouring into our country."

    Dec. 31, 2018: 'All concrete Wall was NEVER ABANDONED'

    "An all concrete Wall was NEVER ABANDONED, as has been reported by the media," Trump tweeted ahead of New Year's Eve. "Some areas will be all concrete but the experts at Border Patrol prefer a Wall that is see through (thereby making it possible to see what is happening on both sides). Makes sense to me!"

    The president was evidently reacting to a Los Angeles Times interview in which Kelly said, "To be honest, it's not a wall."

    "The president still says 'wall' – oftentimes frankly he’ll say 'barrier' or 'fencing,' now he’s tended toward steel slats. But we left a solid concrete wall early on in the administration, when we asked people what they needed and where they needed it," Kelly told the Times.
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    An all concrete Wall was NEVER ABANDONED, as has been reported by the media. Some areas will be all concrete but the experts at Border Patrol prefer a Wall that is see through (thereby making it possible to see what is happening on both sides). Makes sense to me!


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    Jan. 5, 2019: 'The Wall is Coming'

    "The Wall is Coming," Trump tweeted with a picture of a fence.
    Jan. 6, 2019: 'Steel Barrier rather than concrete'

    "We are now planning a Steel Barrier rather than concrete," Trump tweeted. "It is both stronger & less obtrusive. Good solution, and made in the U.S.A."
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    V.P. Mike Pence and group had a productive meeting with the Schumer/Pelosi representatives today. Many details of Border Security were discussed. We are now planning a Steel Barrier rather than concrete. It is both stronger & less obtrusive. Good solution, and made in the U.S.A.


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    AP FACT CHECK: Trump claims innocence in probe; wall myths


    In this Jan. 2, 2019, photo, acting Secretary of the Interior David Bernhardt, left, and acting Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan, right, listen as President Donald Trump speaks during a cabinet meeting at the White House in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan ... more >

    Excerpt:

    On the border wall, Trump insists he never promised a concrete barrier - even though he did - and asserts that much of it has been built. It hasn’t.

    The dubious statements capped an expansive week of assertions by the president. On top of the usual Twitter flow, Trump opened a Cabinet meeting with 90 minutes of opining to the press, touching on immigration, drug prices, the Soviet history in Afghanistan, his approval ratings, Syria, oil prices, the attractiveness of his generals (“better looking than Tom Cruise”), and much more. A few days later he spoke for an hour at a Rose Garden news conference.

    Excerpt:

    THE WALL

    TRUMP: “As far as concrete, I said I was going to build a wall. I never said, ‘I’m going to build a concrete.’ I said I’m going to build a wall.” - Rose Garden news conference Friday.

    THE FACTS: Actually, he did say he would build a concrete wall.

    Trump even repeated that promise last week, rejecting the claim of his departing White House chief of staff John Kelly that Trump had abandoned the notion of “a solid concrete wall early on in the administration.”

    “An all concrete Wall was NEVER ABANDONED,” Trump tweeted on Dec. 31. “Some areas will be all concrete but the experts at Border Patrol prefer a Wall that is see through.”

    During the 2016 campaign, Trump pledged to build a “big, beautiful wall” made of concrete, rebar and steel across the length of the southern border with Mexico. Back then, he lashed out at the suggestion that what he was proposing had anything in common with mere fencing.

    “Jeb Bush just talked about my border proposal to build a ‘fence,’ he tweeted in 2015. “It’s not a fence, Jeb, it’s a WALL, and there’s a BIG difference!”

    He now often refers to the wall as “steel slats.”

    “Steel is stronger than concrete,” he said Friday. “If I build a steel wall rather than a concrete wall, it will actually be stronger than a concrete” wall.
    ___
    TRUMP: “When they say ‘build the wall,’ I don’t say that any more. I say ‘finish the wall.’” - remarks to reporters Sunday.

    TRUMP: “We’ve already built a lot of the wall.” - Rose Garden news conference Friday.
    THE FACTS: He hasn’t built much of the wall at all.

    Trump’s claim is only supported when counting work done under past presidents and ignoring the fact that fences from prior administrations are not the towering walls he promised. The 2006 Secure Fence Act has resulted in about 650 miles (1,050 kilometers) of border barrier. Money approved by Congress in March 2018 is to pay for 84 miles (135 km), but that work is not done. Trump has achieved some renovation of existing barrier.
    ___
    TRUMP: “The drugs are pouring into this country. They don’t go through the ports of entry. When they do, they sometimes get caught.” - Rose Garden news conference.

    THE FACTS: He’s wrong in saying drug smugglers don’t or only rarely use official border crossings for their trafficking. Land ports of entry are their primary means for getting drugs into the country, not stretches of the border without barriers, says the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

    The agency said in a November report that the most common trafficking technique by transnational criminal organizations is to hide drugs in passenger vehicles or tractor-trailers as they drive into the U.S. though entry ports, where they are stopped and subject to inspection. They also employ buses, cargo trains and tunnels, the report says, citing smuggling methods that would not be choked off by a border wall.
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    TRUMP: “The new trade deal we have with Mexico and Canada - what we save on that, just with Mexico, will pay for the wall many times over, just in a period of a year, two years or three years. So I view that as absolutely Mexico is paying for the wall.” - Rose Garden news conference.

    THE FACTS: Mexico is not paying for the wall and nothing in the trade agreement would cover or refund the construction cost.

    Trump is assuming a wide variety of economic benefits will come from the agreement, but they can’t be quantified or counted on. For example, he said the deal will dissuade some U.S. companies from moving operations to Mexico and he credits that possibility as a payment by Mexico for his wall.

    The deal updates the North American Free Trade Agreement, in the main preserving NAFTA’s liberalized environment of low or no tariffs among the U.S., Mexico and Canada, while making certain improvements for each country. Trumpstated inaccurately that it’s “brand new. It’s totally different.”

    Moreover, it’s not in effect. The deal has yet to be ratified in any member country and its chances of winning legislative approval are not assured.

    Trump has argued repeatedly that Mexico is footing the bill even while insisting on $5.6 billion from the U.S. treasury to go toward wall construction. His demand and the refusal of Democrats to satisfy it are behind the budget standoff that has closed parts of the government.

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    POLITICS 12/20/2018 08:16 pm ET

    See Donald Trump Evolve On The ‘Border Wall’ He Promised During His Campaign

    A look at how the president’s thinking has shifted, as the government faces possible shutdown over border security funds.


    By Antonia Blumberg


    One of President Donald Trump’s main campaign talking points was a very clear promise to build a wall along the southern border of the United States and somehow get Mexico to pay for it.

    But over time, the president’s thinking ― or, at least, his rhetoric ― has shifted. This week, as the federal government faces a possible shutdown over Trump’s insistence on more funding for border security, the wall of his campaign trail appears to be nowhere in sight.

    Here’s a brief look at Trump’s evolution in talking about that wall:

    “Build the wall!”

    Trump’s vow that he would “build the wall” was unequivocal throughout his campaign and reiterated in one way or another in almost every rally, speech and interview.

    The promise went more or less along the lines of this comment to CNN in July 2015:

    “I will build the wall and Mexico’s going to pay for it and they will be happy to pay for it. Because Mexico is making so much money from the United States that that’s going to be peanuts. And all these other characters say, ‘Oh, they won’t pay, they won’t pay.’ They don’t know the first thing about how to negotiate. Trust me, Mexico will pay for it.”

    “Certain areas” might include fencing.

    In the days following Trump’s presidential win, the wall proposal developed some holes. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who was one of Trump’s earliest and most prominent supporters leading up to the election, admitted shortly afterward that the whole business about Mexico paying for the structure was little more than a “great campaign device.” And Trump told CBS just days after his victory that he would be open to the idea of a fence.
    Yeah, it could be. It could be some fencing. President-elect Donald Trump
    “Would you accept a fence?” the president-elect was asked by “60 Minutes” correspondent Lesley Stahl.

    “For certain areas I would, but certain areas, a wall is more appropriate,” Trump responded. “I’m very good at this. It’s called construction.”

    Stahl continued to press him, asking, “So part wall, part fence?”

    “Yeah, it could be,” he said. “It could be some fencing.”

    Actually, it’s more of a wall-fence combo.

    By May 2017, Trump was boasting that his administration was already beginning construction on the wall and that a government funding deal recently reached by Congress included a “down payment on the border wall.” (It didn’t.)

    Then-budget director Mick Mulvaney clarified that the administration would be erecting a 20-foot-tall steel fence to replace existing portions of chain-link fencing along the border.

    “We’re building it!”


    MARK RALSTON VIA GETTY IMAGESHomeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen looks at a newly renovated section of the 30-foot border fence in the El Centro sector in Calexico, California, on Oct. 26, 2018.


    Throughout the first half of 2018, Trump and administration officials were firmly declaring that construction on the wall had begun.

    “It’s not ‘build that wall’ anymore. It’s ‘continue building that wall,’” the president said at a July rally in South Carolina. “Because we’re building it!”

    What he might have been referring to was what Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen described in April as more like upgrades on the existing barrier along portions of the southern border.

    “To us, it’s all new wall,” Nielsen said at a White House briefing. “If there was a wall before that needs to be replaced, it’s being replaced by a new wall. This is Trump’s border wall.”

    The truth is that not a single mile of new barrier has been constructed along the Mexican border during Trump’s presidency. As HuffPost’s S.V. Date wrote earlier this month: “There were 654 miles of physical barrier on the day Trump was inaugurated president, and there are 654 miles today.”

    When we say “wall,” we may actually mean “steel slats.”


    As of December, the president was going with “artistically designed steel slats” to describe his still-promised wall.

    Trump addressed the possible government shutdown over border security issues ahead of signing the farm bill on Thursday afternoon. He reiterated some of his main talking points on the need for a border wall, but with his newly phrased caveat.

    “At this moment there is a debate over funding border security and the wall ― also called, so that I give them a bit of an out, ‘steel slats,’” the president said. “We don’t use the word ‘wall’ necessarily.”





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    Maybe we don’t need a wall after all?


    Rudy Giuliani, one of Trump’s personal attorneys, also suggested on Thursday that the “wall” could be more of a metaphor for increased border security, which could actually take a number of different forms. He suggested using advanced technology to detect and capture undocumented immigrants instead.

    “I don’t see the magic in a wall, as long as there’s some form of improved barrier that picks up penetration,” Giuliani told CNBC. “I could build a wall for him with long-range cameras and security. He needs something. I think he’d compromise if he got most of what he wanted.”

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