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    Thank God a Forceful Leader as Trump is decided to "LEAD" our Country, whereas politicians TALK. Vast Majorities want our LAWS upheld & enforced. The damage already done to Millions of Americans in MANY ways by the Millions of Illegals & selfish special interests can be somewhat repaid by Mr. Trump stopping this once & for all time! Hooyaah!
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    A couple of quotes from today's article on Trump in Rolling Stone magazine:

    Trump's particular family culture encapsulates American capitalism and entrepreneurship, and he is the product of that. He really does, in many ways, reflect what the United States is.
    What a time to be alive.

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    "...But is laughing the right response to Mr. Trump’s continued dehumanizing of immigrants, his insistence on pushing the immigration debate out to the fringe, where hatred and nativism dwell?" Lawrence Dowms. These words are the ranting of an intolerant, ignorant fanatic.

    He and his ilk are the reason they invented the flush toilet --to keep our homes from stinking.


    His rant should be a warning to every rational being. He and his ilk are the reason why there is suffering in the world, why there are wars and hunger and megalomaniac despots. He and his kind are the reason those who love freedom must be always vigilant,

    He thinks common sense efforts to preserve national sovereignty is “dehumanizing” to the illegal alien invaders who would swamp our nation with illiterate ignorant people and turn our beautiful country into a third world hell hole. And in his screwed up brain we who want to have a country to call our home are evil .

    Why is it "dehumanizing" to defend our national sovereignty ---because he has decided it is.


    It is not a matter of opposing somebody who has different ideas; it is a matter fighting to have a life worth living. It is a necessary requirement that he and his kind are driven out of civilized society to some obscure fringe where he can not hurt people and ruin their lives.
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    to The Old Chip: beautiful, eloquent, as the truth always. Well said fellow patriot. We real Americans have suffered, been insulted and had our most cherished ideals spat upon and defiled by the very people who are supposed to be our government. It is long past due to take our country back and give it again to the loving protection of patriots.

    Trump 2016 Illegal alien squatters go home. American jobs for Americans.
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    Trump is making us all some very serious promises that millions of Americans are desperate to hear and he will live or die by the illegal immigration & Amnesty issue sword!

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    I want to know HOW he plans to get them out. I love that he's talking about getting illegals out of here, but I need details. If he's only talking about deportation, I wouldn't believe it. If he talks deportation, e verify, attrition through enforcement, ending the taxpayer funded benefits, ending birth tourism/anchor baby syndrome, sanctions on sanctuary cities, retroactively revoking the dream act, 90 days to leave voluntarily or your stuff is ours,..... THAT kind of talk will get my attention. And my full support.
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    I have been at this issue for well over a decade and while I think Trump will seal the border as well as anybody; respectfully beyond that I see no real evidence that he will be any better on the Illegal Immigration Issue than any other Amnesty Loving Politician.

    My comments are not what most would like to hear but out of respect to all of you, "I have to say it as I see it and how the Facts Pan out". I see a lot of good Americans desperate for a real solution on the Illegal Immigration Issue being sold a bill of sale by a good salesman's, (Donald Trump's) hard line Rhetoric while many American's pay very little attention to the LACK of substance Trump has to back up his sales pitch.

    Consider this:

    1. Trump has no real substance to his Immigration talking points, no real understanding of the facts on the issue, and no real history of a recorded position on the issue. Beyond that Trump has good attention Grabbing Hard line Talking Points and a media that is on a feeding frenzy of every word Trump says and than Trump has a policy Letter that Trump had no idea how to write, so he reportedly he had Jeff Sessions write it for him. http://time.com/3999767/trump-policy-paper/

    2. Get them out in 2 years good Rhetoric. It took us 29 years from 1986 to get us to this point and Trump proposes a quick fix which he doesn't say how he will accomplish it because he has no idea. This smells of a disaster, quick fixes don't work. Even the most aggressive mass round up, it would take years with all the Lawyers lined up to Protect Illegals and add to that the Pure Immense population of this nation and Illegals. That is UNLESS Trump plans on following in the footsteps of Obama and makes up the law as he goes along, can you say martial law or something close, which steps on all our rights and smells disaster.

    3. Probably MOST important in the few talking points Trump repeats "
    If we have wonderful cases, they can come back in" a few weeks ago he said "We got to move 'em out, we're going to move 'em back in if they're really good people," http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/is...rticle/2569293

    Even more wide open to Amnesty is the attached video interview with Trump, where he wants to deport the criminals but the others can come back in Legally. He wants to get them out and have an expedited way to get them back in legally. I GOT NEWS FOR ANYBODY BUYING THAT GARBAGE Trumps is talking a TOUCH BACK POLICY which is a Gimmick and he is talking Amnesty with the same rewards as any other Amnesty Legal Status and Jobs and you know what: Trump doesn't even count out giving the Illegals an added reward of Citizenship for Breaking our Laws. Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KveO...ature=youtu.be

    4. One more thing listen to the video interview again Trump has no idea what he is talking about on solving the Healthcare or the Immigration Issue he just basically says we have to fix it, but he has no substance of knowledge how to do that, he hasn't a clue.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KveO...ature=youtu.be

    Lastly there is only one real Politician in the race for President who really seriously "GETS IT" when it comes to the issue of Immigration Legal and Illegal", one Candidate who has a serious well defined Policy Plan and only one Candidate who really understands the Issue of Immigration, Rick Santorum. But that's not the current discussion. We will need to discuss that later, as a matter of fact we can compare Trump and Santorum side by side, Trump doesn't even come close, now that I have seriously looked at the facts on Trump.
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    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-t...-undocumented/

    By Reena Flores CBS News September 11, 2015, 5:07 PM

    Trump would take 2 years to deport millions of undocumented immigrants

    Donald Trump says that if he's elected, it would only take his administration up to two years to deport all the undocumented immigrants currently residing in the United States.

    "I think it's a process that can take 18 months to two years if properly handled," Trump said in a conference call with members of the Alabama Republican Party late Thursday night.

    The comments were Trump's first specific mention of a timeline for implementing his immigration plan. Whether this plan is viable or not is up for debate. The American Action Forum, a conservative think tank, estimates that it would take as much as ten times as longer - two decades - to remove all the undocumented immigrants in the country, at a cost of more than $600 billion.

    Trump also said that he wouldn't build the wall along the Southern border he has proposed until all the undocumented immigrants are out.

    "I will get them out so fast that your head would spin, long before I even can start the wall," Trump said. "They will be out of here. You know we have tremendous problems of crime."

    The Trump campaign did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

    The conference call was the latest in the Alabama GOP's "Calling Alabama." Other presidential candidates, such as Dr. Ben Carson, former Florida governor Jeb Bush, former hp CEO Carly Fiorina and Texas Senator Ted Cruz have also taken part.

    Trump resumes campaigning this weekend. After appearing on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon Friday, he will head to Iowa on Saturday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by United States First View Post
    I have been at this issue for well over a decade and while I think Trump will seal the border as well as anybody; respectfully beyond that I see no real evidence that he will be any better on the Illegal Immigration Issue than any other Amnesty Loving Politician.

    My comments are not what most would like to hear but out of respect to all of you, "I have to say it as I see it and how the Facts Pan out". I see a lot of good Americans desperate for a real solution on the Illegal Immigration Issue being sold a bill of sale by a good salesman's, (Donald Trump's) hard line Rhetoric while many American's pay very little attention to the LACK of substance Trump has to back up his sales pitch.
    Consider this:
    1. Trump has no real substance to his Immigration talking points, no real understanding of the facts on the issue, and no real history of a recorded position on the issue. Beyond that Trump only has good attention Grabbing Hard line Talking Points and a Policy Letter that Trump had no idea how to write so he reportedly he had Jeff Sessions write it for him. http://time.com/3999767/trump-policy-paper/

    2. Get them out in 2 years good Rhetoric. It took us 29 years from 1986 to get us to this point and Trump proposes a quick fix which he doesn't say how he will accomplish it because he has no idea. This smells of a disaster, quick fixes don't work. Even the most aggressive mass round up, it would take years with all the Lawyers lined up to Protect Illegals and the Pure Numbers of People and Illegals in this Nation. UNLESS Trump plans on following in the footsteps of Obama and makes up the law as he goes along, can you say martial law or something close, which steps on all our rights and smells disaster.
    3. Probably MOST important in the few talking points Trump repeats "
    If we have wonderful cases, they can come back in" a few weeks ago he said [COLOR= ]"We got to move 'em out, we're going to move 'em back in if they're really good people," [/COLOR]http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/is-this-donald-trumps-amnesty/article/2569293 . Even more wide open to Amnesty is the attached video interview with Trump, he want to deport the criminals but the others can come back in Legally. He wants to get them out and have an expedited way to get them back in legally. I GOT NEWS FOR ANYBODY BUYING THAT GARBAGE Trumps is talking a TOUCHBACK POLICY which is a Gimmick and he is talking Amnesty with the same rewards as any other Amnesty Legal Status and Jobs and you know what Trump doesn't even count out giving the Illegals an added reward of Citizenship for Breaking our Laws. Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KveO3wzWnh8&feature=youtu.be

    4. One more thing listen to the video interview again Trump has no idea what he is talking about on solving the Healthcare or the Immigration Issue he just basically says we have to fix it, but he has no substance of knowledge how to do that, he hasn't a clue.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KveO3wzWnh8&feature=youtu.be

    Lastly there is only one real Politician in the race for President who really seriously "GETS IT" when it comes to the issue of Immigration Legal and Illegal", one Candidate who has a serious well defined Policy Plan and only one Candidate who really understands the Issue of Immigration, Rick Santorum and that we will need to discuss later, as a matter of fact we can compare Trump and Santorum side by side, Trump comes know where close now that I have seriously looked at Trump Closer.
    Hi United States First,

    Here is Trump's plan to stop illegal immigration and reduce legal immigration from his position paper posted on his website:

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positio...gration-reform

    TRUMP'S IMMIGRATION REFORM PLAN TO STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND REDUCE LEGAL IMMIGRATION

    Immigration Reform That Will Make America Great Again

    The three core principles of Donald J. Trump's immigration plan

    When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.

    Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:

    1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.

    2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.

    3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.

    Make Mexico Pay For The Wall

    For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country (as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even published pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on jobseekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed.

    The impact in terms of crime has been tragic. In recent weeks, the headlines have been covered with cases of criminals who crossed our border illegally only to go on to commit horrific crimes against Americans. Most recently, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, with a long arrest record, is charged with breaking into a 64 year-old women’s home, crushing her skull and eye sockets with a hammer, raping her, and murdering her. The Police Chief in Santa Maria says the “blood trail” leads straight to Washington.

    In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a shocking 3 million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population, including tens of thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders.

    Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013 alone).

    In short, the Mexican government has taken the United States to the cleaners. They are responsible for this problem, and they must help pay to clean it up.

    The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices.

    Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.

    Defend The Laws And Constitution Of The United States

    America will only be great as long as America remains a nation of laws that lives according to the Constitution. No one is above the law. The following steps will return to the American people the safety of their laws, which politicians have stolen from them:

    Triple the number of ICE officers. As the President of the ICE Officers’ Council explained in Congressional testimony: “Only approximately 5,000 officers and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s immigration mission…Compare that to the Los Angeles Police Department at approximately 10,000 officers. Approximately 5,000 officers in ICE cover 50 states, Puerto Rico and Guam, and are attempting to enforce immigration law against 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States. Since 9-11, the U.S. Border Patrol has tripled in size, while ICE’s immigration enforcement arm, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), has remained at relatively the same size.” This will be funded by accepting the recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal immigrants.

    Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans.

    Mandatory return of all criminal aliens. The Obama Administration has released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013 alone. All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a process which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and additional crime to commit an offense while here illegally.

    Detention—not catch-and-release. Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.

    Defund sanctuary cities. Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement.

    Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa. Millions of people come to the United States on temporary visas but refuse to leave, without consequence. This is a threat to national security. Individuals who refuse to leave at the time their visa expires should be subject to criminal penalties; this will also help give local jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays until federal authorities arrive. Completion of a visa tracking system – required by law but blocked by lobbyists – will be necessary as well.

    Cooperate with local gang task forces. ICE officers should accompany local police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs like MS-13 and the 18th street gang, which have terrorized the country. All illegal aliens in gangs should be apprehended and deported. Again, quoting Chris Crane: “ICE Officers and Agents are forced to apply the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) Directive, not to children in schools, but to adult inmates in jails. If an illegal-alien inmate simply claims eligibility, ICE is forced to release the alien back into the community. This includes serious criminals who have committed felonies, who have assaulted officers, and who prey on children…ICE officers should be required to place detainers on every illegal alien they encounter in jails and prisons, since these aliens not only violated immigration laws, but then went on to engage in activities that led to their arrest by police; ICE officers should be required to issue Notices to Appear to all illegal aliens with criminal convictions, DUI convictions, or a gang affiliation; ICE should be working with any state or local drug or gang task force that asks for such assistance.”

    End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.

    Put American Workers First

    Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations. As CBS news wrote in a piece entitled “America’s incredible shrinking middle class”: “If the middle-class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is developing osteoporosis.”

    The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.

    Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: “We've become the visa clearinghouse for the world.”

    Here are some additional specific policy proposals for long-term reform:

    Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.

    Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need to companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.

    End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.

    Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.

    Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in high crime neighborhoods in the United States.

    Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by florgal View Post
    I want to know HOW he plans to get them out. I love that he's talking about getting illegals out of here, but I need details. If he's only talking about deportation, I wouldn't believe it. If he talks deportation, e verify, attrition through enforcement, ending the taxpayer funded benefits, ending birth tourism/anchor baby syndrome, sanctions on sanctuary cities, retroactively revoking the dream act, 90 days to leave voluntarily or your stuff is ours,..... THAT kind of talk will get my attention. And my full support.
    Have you visited his website and read his immigration proposal? I posted it above for United States First, but here's the link again for it, which is pretty comprehensive and detailed for a position paper for a campaign:

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positio...gration-reform
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