Thread: Trump Tells 'Dreamers' to 'Rest Easy'

Attorney General Jeff Sessions needs to issue an Opinion that the Memo Directive of June 15, 2012 exceeds the authority of USCIS to process deferred action as a prosecutorial discretionary tool because it issues work permits to people ineligible to have them and authorizes unlawful unfair foreign competition with American Workers and American Students as well as creates an illegal burden to US taxpayers.

Prosecutorial discretion is not the authority to grant permission to continue committing the crime, prosecutorial discretion is simply not prosecuting due to lack of resources. One of the primary reasons for US immigration law is to protect the jobs, wages, taxes and educations of American Workers. So DHS created DACA 2012 is violating the whole purpose of why we have US immigration law to begin with.

DACA 2012 must be ended by the rules of law it has usurped and breached. To me, this would require action by the US Department of Justice, if not self-corrected by the US Department of Homeland Security that issued the directive and established the program. It erred greatly.

Originally Posted by Judy

Attorney General Jeff Sessions needs to issue an Opinion that the Memo Directive of June 15, 2012 exceeds the authority of USCIS to process deferred action as a prosecutorial discretionary tool because it issues work permits to people ineligible to have them and authorizes unlawful unfair foreign competition with American Workers and American Students as well as creates an illegal burden to US taxpayers.

Prosecutorial discretion is not the authority to grant permission to continue committing the crime, prosecutorial discretion is simply not prosecuting due to lack of resources. One of the primary reasons for US immigration law is to protect the jobs, wages, taxes and educations of American Workers. So DHS created DACA 2012 is violating the whole purpose of why we have US immigration law to begin with.

DACA 2012 must be ended by the rules of law it has usurped and breached. To me, this would require action by the US Department of Justice, if not self-corrected by the US Department of Homeland Security that issued the directive and established the program. It erred greatly.

I hate to say it but Unfortunately AG Sessions serves at the pleasure of the President and with the approval of the U.S. Congress. That basically means he can't go against Trump's wishes on DACA. If he did, he could possibly be standing in the unemployment line.

Originally Posted by MW

I hate to say it but Unfortunately AG Sessions serves at the pleasure of the President and with the approval of the U.S. Congress. That basically means he can't go against Trump's wishes on DACA. If he did, he could possibly be standing in the unemployment line.

Why would that be going against Trump's wishes? Trump wants to end DACA. Trump even wants to deport them all. Right now he just doesn't have enough resources to deport everyone all at once and he said during the campaign every time he was asked or spoke about it, he's going to focus on the criminals, misdemeanor violators, welfare frauds, visa-overstays and other immigration violators to get them out first. That doesn't mean he's not also going to deport DACA's. He's already deported some. But the game plan is to focus on these others with more resources and time devoted to find them, arresting them, deporting them.

Why do you want to deport DACA's before all these others when DACA's fall into many of those high priority targets anyway and are deportable like all other illegal aliens?

For me, the work permits are the big issue with DACAs, not pushing them to the front of the line on deportations over MS 13 Gang Members, for example. Your messaging really just makes most people scratch their heads and ask "why pick on the DACAs instead of MS 13 Gang Members"?

Sean Spicer said on DACA, "the thinking is to just let it expire in June."

judy wrote (excerpt):

Why would that be going against Trump's wishes? Trump wants to end DACA.

What???? Make up your mind. You keep saying Trump never promised to end DACA, which could imply he doesn't want to end it, yet you now sit there with a straight face and say he wants to end it? Make up your mind. Everyone knows Trump has had a change of "heart" after fooling us into believing he was going to end DACA immediately after being elected. Yep, it was a lie.

Trump has said DACA is unconstitutional, AG Sessions said it was unconstitutional, and even a U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas said the program was likely unconstitutional. Why would he continue a program that everyone, including himself, knows is unconstitutional? Nope, I'd say he has no desire or intention of doing away with DACA until those in the program are legalized through legislation. As for this Spicer thing "let the program expire in June" .... well you've provided no documented evidence to substantiate such a claim. It'll take much more than Shaun Spicer saying something in passing during a briefing to convince many of us. If the program is due to expire, there should be some documented proof of that fact.

MW, wanting to end DACA is one thing, promising to end DACA 2012 is another. Trump promised to end the 2 unconstitutional executive orders that a judge had stopped, that's DACA Expansion 2014 and DAPA 2014. It's on Bannon's to-do list in the White House. It's in every speech Trump made during the campaign that I heard on DACA. But there are 3 programs, the 2 he promised to end which a judge had already stopped and then the third one that he never talked about, that is the DACA 2012 implemented with a DHS MEMO by Janet Napolitano that was addressed and allowed to continue by a Federal Judge Hanen, the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals and the US Supreme Court.

Trump never promised to end DACA 2012. Period. I'm sure he wants to, why wouldn't he? But he didn't "promise to end it day one". In fact, with the Court Ruling that sustains it and separates it from the injunction on the 2 he did promise to end, I'm not even sure he can until the 26 state case is resolved, one way or the other.

But if during the course of the campaign, people assumed that he promised to end DACA 2012, or misunderstood his promises to include it, I mean that's fine. ALIPAC has withdrawn its endorsement of Trump, which is its right to do, and that's fine.

It will all become more clear to everyone as time marches on.

No one is assuming anything. Trump promised during his campaign that he would end DACA immediately. All the other mumble-jumble your speaking is just an attempt to further hide the truth through obfuscation.

By now it should have become obvious to you that nobody is buying what you're selling. Trump promised us he would end DACA and now it is looking like a promise he never intended on keeping. Trump's got "heart."

LOL!! Oh, so because you say it, it's true and when someone else says something else that differs from your Hate Trump Fantasy, they're "obfuscating."

Okay, so let me give you my opinion then, that the Hate Trump Fantasy will collapse before Obamacare and Obamacare is 50 Senate Republican votes away from its RIP.

Originally Posted by Judy

MW, wanting to end DACA is one thing, promising to end DACA 2012 is another. Trump promised to end the 2 unconstitutional executive orders that a judge had stopped, that's DACA Expansion 2014 and DAPA 2014. It's on Bannon's to-do list in the White House. It's in every speech Trump made during the campaign that I heard on DACA. But there are 3 programs, the 2 he promised to end which a judge had already stopped and then the third one that he never talked about, that is the DACA 2012 implemented with a DHS MEMO by Janet Napolitano that was addressed and allowed to continue by a Federal Judge Hanen, the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals and the US Supreme Court.

Trump never promised to end DACA 2012. Period. I'm sure he wants to, why wouldn't he? But he didn't "promise to end it day one". In fact, with the Court Ruling that sustains it and separates it from the injunction on the 2 he did promise to end, I'm not even sure he can until the 26 state case is resolved, one way or the other.

But if during the course of the campaign, people assumed that he promised to end DACA 2012, or misunderstood his promises to include it, I mean that's fine. ALIPAC has withdrawn its endorsement of Trump, which is its right to do, and that's fine.

It will all become more clear to everyone as time marches on.

Judy,

Trump made it very clear on numerous occasions he was going to end Obama's DACA and DAPA orders and enforce all of our existing immigration laws. Please do NOT speak as if ALIPAC missed something or failed to do our research on this matter before acting.T

Trump is breaking his promises. Here is exactly what he said. Please stop trying to defend Trump on his decision to betray all Americans that believed in his promises on ending amnesty.

“We will immediately terminate President Obama’s two illegal executive amnesties, in which he defied federal law and the constitution to give amnesty to approximately 5 million illegal immigrants,” Trump said during a speech in Phoenix in August. “In a Trump Administration, all immigration laws will be enforced. As with any law enforcement activity, we will set priorities. But, unlike this Administration, no one will be immune or exempt from enforcement — and ICE and Border Patrol officers will be allowed to do their jobs.”

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“Anyone who has entered the United States illegally is subject to deportation — that is what it means to have laws and to have a country.”

This why we dropped our endorsement of Trump!
https://www.alipac.us/f8/real-news-alipac-revokes-trump-endorsement-due-betrayal-immigration-promises-346651/

Okay, William, no problem!