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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    That works for illegal aliens from Canada and Mexico.

    Not so much for illegal aliens from China or Africa.

    We need all the help we can get...most are from Mexico. The rest they can fly the hell out of here and load the plane full.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beezer View Post
    . . . Why should ICE waste their time driving the bus? They should hand them over then get back on the front line and get more of them. . .
    I.C.E. often uses chartered buses to transport deportees to the border. Driven by an employee of the bus company.
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    Transportation
    Mexicans caught illegally crossing the border for the first time are returned almost immediately because of proximity. Those who are from places other than Mexico wait in detention until transportation is arranged to take them back to their home country.

    In addition to chartered and commercial buses, detainees are also transported by ICE Air Operations. These chartered planes can hold up to 135 deportees and most flights travel to the Caribbean and Central and South America.


    "For Dominicans and Jamaicans there's one flight a month," Golash-Boza said. "Chinese deportees must travel on an American carrier and be accompanied by two marshals, who then must return, driving up the cost."


    Some undocumented immigrants may come from countries that don't cooperate with U.S. immigration officials, meaning they may end up stranded in detention for months or years, Golash-Boza said.


    ICE said it cost an average of $1,978 in fiscal 2016 to transport each deportee to their home country. It would not provide any further detail.
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    @ How much it costs ICE to deport an undocumented immigrant


    by Octavio Blanco @CNNMoneyApril 13, 2017: 10:04 AM ET

    President Trump has said he wants to deport two to three million criminal undocumented immigrants. While it's unclear where he got that figure from, achieving his goal won't come cheap.

    Immigration and Customs Enforcement is one of two agencies within the Department of Homeland Security that's already playing a pivotal role in enacting Trump's mission. One of ICE's main jobs is to apprehend undocumented immigrants who have received their final deportation orders or who have failed to report to the agency as instructed.

    During fiscal 2016, ICE spent $3.2 billion to identify, arrest, detain and remove undocumented immigrants, according to the Department of Homeland Security. ICE handled some 240,000 of the roughly 450,000 total deportations that took place last year. (Customs and Border Patrol was responsible for the rest. It also arrests and deports undocumented immigrants, but mainly as they try to enter the U.S.)

    Each deportation conducted by ICE cost taxpayers an average of $10,854 in fiscal 2016, an official from the agency told CNNMoney.

    This amount includes everything from housing and feeding a detainee to transporting him back to his home country.


    Related: New York to provide lawyers for immigrants facing deportation


    Here's how the experts break down the costs:
    Apprehension

    Last year, the majority of ICE's removals -- 175,000 -- happened at the border or a port of entry. The remaining deportations occurred either because ICE agents conducted their own investigation or they relied heavily on local police forces. In 2016, ICE spent $129.4 million to identify and apprehend what the agency refers to as immigration fugitives.


    Many city, county, and state law enforcement agencies coordinate the release of undocumented immigrants with ICE after arresting them for other offenses like traffic violations. This helps bring costs down dramatically, said Doris Meissner, director of the U.S. immigration policy program at the Migration Policy Institute and a former commissioner of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service.


    Related: Blocking funds from sanctuary cities easier said than done


    "Typically, ICE officers are in county jails where they easily take criminal immigrants into custody once they've served their sentences," she said.


    ICE's Fugitive Operations, which conducts its own investigations and raids, was responsible for a smaller number of arrests last year.

    According to TRAC, a database of information on the staffing, spending and enforcement activities of the federal government run by Syracuse University, about 15,000 arrests were made this way.


    This is costly, however, because ICE will send "a team of six to 12 officers to a person's house and bang on the door all day," said Tanya Golash-Boza, a professor at the University of California, Merced, who specializes in deportation research. "And it's not just the raid itself, they had to spend hours preparing, investigating, stakeouts. It all adds up."


    Detention

    Detaining undocumented immigrants is the most expensive part of the deportation process because it entails providing food, shelter, medical treatment and other necessities.

    According to DHS, ICE operates 112 of its own detention facilities in the U.S. It also works with roughly 500 other state and local jails, as well as private prisons, to detain deportees, reports TRAC.


    In 2014, the average cost to hold one deportee in a federal detention center was $5,633, according to the Center for American Progress, a left leaning think tank. The average stay: 31 days.


    And some costs have been on the rise. Last year, ICE spent an additional $345 million to accommodate "the surge in families with children crossing the U.S. southern border illegally," according to the DHS. Families in detention require specialized services, including education for school-aged children.


    Related: Without immigrants, U.S. workforce would shrink dramatically


    While some undocumented immigrants are detained for a matter of days, others can wait months -- or even years -- before they go before a judge or get sent back to their home country.


    One reason: there isn't enough staff to handle the caseload, said Golash-Boza.


    On Tuesday, U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions told a group of Customs and Border Protection personnel in Nogales, Arizona, that the Department of Justice will add 50 more immigration judges this year and 75 the following year. He also plans to streamline hiring, to reduce immigration court backlogs.


    Legal processing

    Between ICE and the CBP, about 450,000 undocumented immigrants were returned to their home countries in 2016, but only about 15% of them ever went before a judge, said Greg Chen, an advocacy director at the American Immigration Lawyers Association.

    Undocumented immigrants with prior orders for removal or who have overstayed a visa waiver can be removed without a chance to argue their case in court, Chen said. But there are some cases in which they can ask for a court hearing, such as a request for asylum or an adjustment of their immigration status based on a family member's U.S. citizenship, said Golash-Boza.


    They can hire their own lawyer. But unlike U.S. citizens, the government won't pay for one if they can't afford it, she said.


    Related: Muslim immigrants say Trump is slamming door on our American Dream


    Estimated costs for the government's legal proceedings vary from roughly $1,200 to $1,500 per case, according to research reports from the Center for American Progress and the American Action Forum.


    Among cases that take the longest are asylum cases. On average, these can take about two years to resolve, Golash-Boza said.


    Transportation


    Mexicans caught illegally crossing the border for the first time are returned almost immediately because of proximity. Those who are from places other than Mexico wait in detention until transportation is arranged to take them back to their home country.


    In addition to chartered and commercial buses, detainees are also transported by ICE Air Operations. These chartered planes can hold up to 135 deportees and most flights travel to the Caribbean and Central and South America.


    "For Dominicans and Jamaicans there's one flight a month," Golash-Boza said. "Chinese deportees must travel on an American carrier and be accompanied by two marshals, who then must return, driving up the cost."


    Some undocumented immigrants may come from countries that don't cooperate with U.S. immigration officials, meaning they may end up stranded in detention for months or years, Golash-Boza said.


    ICE said it cost an average of $1,978 in fiscal 2016 to transport each deportee to their home country. It would not provide any further detail.

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/13/news/economy/deportation-costs-undocumented-immigrant/index.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beezer View Post
    They can play a big role transporting them to the border! They do not have authority to arrest them. Let ICE arrest them and process them, let the guard load them up on a bus and dump them back over the border.

    Why should ICE waste their time driving the bus? They should hand them over then get back on the front line and get more of them.

    The National Guard can also start clearing them out of the detention centers. How many NG will it take? 1,000 of them???

    No funds to hire more ICE...more than one way to skin a cat! Deploy the NG to fill the role and ASSIST in deportations.

    George Bush could not find his way out of a wet paper bag. The NG was not used efficiently, Trump needs to get this done and do it now.
    Unfortunately those caught outside of 100 miles from the border, assuming they're not reentries, are entitled to their day in court. I don't agree with it, but it is the law. What I'm saying is, it's not always just a matter of packing them up and shipping them out. I agree with your concept and wish it was that simple.

    The former governor of Texas, Rick Perry, sent 1,000 Texas NG to the border in support at a cost of $17 million a month. The federal government would not pay for it. The then Attorney General of Texas, Gregg Abbott (he's now governor) requested $30 million from the federal government but they refused to help.

    Yes, I agree the NG could be helpful. However, the cost has to be weighed against the benefit.


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    Dick Morris video on how Trump will fund the wall. I do not know how to post the actual video here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    Unfortunately those caught outside of 100 miles from the border, assuming they're not reentries, are entitled to their day in court. I don't agree with it, but it is the law. What I'm saying is, it's not always just a matter of packing them up and shipping them out. I agree with your concept and wish it was that simple.

    The former governor of Texas, Rick Perry, sent 1,000 Texas NG to the border in support at a cost of $17 million a month. The federal government would not pay for it. The then Attorney General of Texas, Gregg Abbott (he's now governor) requested $30 million from the federal government but they refused to help.

    Yes, I agree the NG could be helpful. However, the benefit has to be weighed against the benefit.



    17 MILLION for 1,000 people a month??? What was 17 MILLION a month spent on?
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    And $17 million is a drop in the bucket compared to the $113 BILLION they cost us every year.

    I would rather deploy the NG for 12 months and get hundreds of thousands shipped out of here by bus, train, barge or cargo plane.

    They cost EACH State way more than $17 million a month. Every State should get on board to load them up and ship them out of here.

    I would rather pay up now and get every stinking one out of here with ALL hands on deck than continue to pay for these people as more pour over the border!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beezer View Post
    . . . Every State should get on board to load them up and ship them out of here. . .
    BUT, as much as we dislike it, there are many cities, counties and states that will not do anything to help with federal immigration law enforcement.
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    2. Mexicans may no longer be the majority of U.S. unauthorized immigrants.

    They made up half of all unauthorized immigrants in 2016, according to the Centerís preliminary estimate, marking the first time in at least a decade that they did not account for a clear majority of this population.

    Their numbers (and share of the total) have been declining in recent years: There were 5.6 million Mexican unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. in 2015 and 2016, down from 6.4 million in 2009.


    Meanwhile, the number of unauthorized immigrants from nations other than Mexico has grown since 2009, from 5 million that year to 5.4 million in 2015.

    Non-Mexicans numbered 5.7 million in the preliminary 2016 estimate, a total that was not statistically different from 2015.


    From 2009 to 2015, the number of unauthorized immigrants from Asia and Central America rose.

    Increases in the number from other countries have mostly offset the decline in the number from Mexico (and a relatively small decrease in the number from South America).

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...on-in-the-u-s/
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    Just having mean looking people with battle gear and guns each solder within sight of another soldier would, alone, serve as a strong deterrent to illegal border crosser. With radios they could immediate alert ICE to the presence of illegal invaders. Troops on the border would send a strong message that we are serious about stopping illegal immigration. Put troops on the border; it will prove to be very effective.
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    Rush had an interesting segment regarding how the wall might be built, posted here:

    Rush: Did Trump Pull a Fast One on the Spending Bill?
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