Thread: U.S. plans raids to deport families who surged across border

The main problem I see with this is that the Obama administration will use this to create abuses on purpose in an effort to generate propaganda against deportation.

He is going to attempt to take control of the situation by stealing Trump's thunder and then pointing to abuses of illegal immigrants in the resulting raids that dragged women and children out into the streets crying at night in front of cameras.

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Originally Posted by ALIPAC

The main problem I see with this is that the Obama administration will use this to create abuses on purpose in an effort to generate propaganda against deportation.

He is going to attempt to take control of the situation by stealing Trump's thunder and then pointing to abuses of illegal immigrants in the resulting raids that dragged women and children out into the streets crying at night in front of cameras.

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It won't matter if he tries that stunt. We don't care how they drag them out of here. Do you know how many videos and films and YouTubes Americans have watched in the past 10 years of Americans being dragged out of their cars, off their bikes, out of their homes, shopping centers, and off the streets by police officers? Americans are numb to this at this point. What's supposed to be fair and good to US is just as good and fair to them.

Support the Raids! Support them Strong!

Then ask, why are they only doing this to Central Americans? Why aren't they raiding to find all illegal aliens from everywhere? We want them all gone.

Apparently a lot of Central Americans and Caribbeans have been fleeing unemployment in recent years. Just one more impact of the growth of Chinese exports. And we get to be the unemployment office, apparently.

Originally Posted by Judy

It won't matter if he tries that stunt. We don't care how they drag them out of here. Do you know how many videos and films and YouTubes Americans have watched in the past 10 years of Americans being dragged out of their cars, off their bikes, out of their homes, shopping centers, and off the streets by police officers? Americans are numb to this at this point. What's supposed to be fair and good to US is just as good and fair to them.

Support the Raids! Support them Strong!

Then ask, why are they only doing this to Central Americans? Why aren't they raiding to find all illegal aliens from everywhere? We want them all gone.

Let us not forget the numerous YouTube videos of Spanish speaking illegals that want US out! The new nation of Aztlan movement. La Raza & M.E.Ch.A. The Brown Berets. The Trump Pinada killers. The ingrates pulling down our flag, burning it and raising their own. Please take a few moments of your time. Those not aware of the war waged against non-spanish speaking people, you will be enlightened. I hope that some of these videos will inspire you to help ALIPAC in their (our) fight. WARNING: None of these portrayals indicate "an act of love".

Their motto: "For those of the race, everything. For those outside the race, nothing."


Illegal invasion of America: www.youtube.com/watch?v=B65pLsah3XE

Unruly students: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KAL8tny6oo

You're white, you don't belong here Brown Berets: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt3of5KMvCI

Aztlan rally: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajkAP_M4ZAM

Vulgar Mexican children: www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDW1R9OmOr0

Kill Trump Pinada: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SpNhVLnuc0

Forced to say Mexican pledge of allegiance in Texas school: www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYKXquc2Q7w

Invasion, burning/trashing our flag: www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZn4Ed4fd-c

La RAZA/MECHA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obbk0...0GxpUg&index=4

- Stop the invasion...by any means necessary.

DHS preparing immigration raids by, er, talking about them a month in advance

POSTED AT 10:01 AM ON DECEMBER 24, 2015 BY ED MORRISSEY

Almost by definition, a “raid” involves the element of surprise. The idea is to catch one or more people unaware in order to ensure that law enforcement can find them. That may be especially true for potential targets who are well aware of their fraught legal status — such as illegal immigrants who have remained in the US in defiance of court orders for deportation.

So … is a month’s notice about the “raids” considered a sporting chance, or what?

The Department of Homeland Security has begun preparing for a series of raids that would target for deportation hundreds of families who have flocked to the United States since the start of last year, according to people familiar with the operation.

The nationwide campaign, to be carried out by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents as soon as early January, would be the first large-scale effort to deport families who have fled violence in Central America, those familiar with the plan said. More than 100,000 families with both adults and children have made the journey across the southwest border since last year, though this migration has largely been overshadowed by a related surge of unaccompanied minors.

The ICE operation would target only adults and children who have already been ordered removed from the United States by an immigration judge, according to officials familiar with the undertaking, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because planning is ongoing and the operation has not been given final approval by DHS. The adults and children would be detained wherever they can be found and immediately deported. The number targeted is expected to be in the hundreds and possibly greater.

One can debate whether or not pursuing court-ordered deportations and tougher border enforcement are good policies (answer: yes), but this kind of leak to the targets of the raids just signals them to find someplace new to hide. Besides, enforcement should be ongoing, not something occasionally considered and even more occasionally performed. The AP noted yesterday that deportations have dropped to their lowest level in nine years:

The Obama administration formally disclosed Tuesday that in the 2015 budget year, the U.S. deported the fewest immigrants since 2006.

The Homeland Security Department oversaw the deportation of about 235,413 people between October 2014 and September 2015.

Over the same period, 337,117 people were arrested trying to cross the border illegally.
DHS has previously said the drop in deportations overseen by ICE is largely due to the decline in arrests at the border. Border arrests dropped about 30 percent from 2014 to 2015. The 2015 border arrests included roughly 79,800 people traveling as families and children traveling alone, mostly from Central America.

According to the reporting from the Washington Post’s Jerry Markon and David Nakamura, the decline in deportations seems more reflective of a lack of action by DHS and the White House. It’s taken the Obama administration “several months” to finally decide to enforce the law, after a big internal debate on that question. The main reason that they finally decided to move forward on doing their jobs is because of another court action to force the emptying of detention centers … where “raids” would hardly be necessary anyway.

Needless to say, a few people are rather skeptical that these publicly scheduled raids will produce much other than “enforcement theater”:

“I’ll believe it when I see it,” said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies. “What share is this going to be?. . . It’s a drop in the bucket compared to the number they’ve admitted into the country. If you have photogenic raids on a few dozen illegal families and that’s the end of it, it’s just for show. It’s just a [public relations] thing, enforcement theater.”

Whether that’s the case or DHS really wants to get serious (the Post reports that DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson wants to crack down to prevent another large-scale run on the border), the timing is odd in another sense, too. With Barack Obama nearing the end of his term in office, both Republicans and Democrats want to compete in some way for Hispanic voters. Thanks to the hardline rhetoric from the GOP presidential field on immigration, Hillary Clinton has a big opening to keep Hispanics from the Obama coalition within the Democratic Party. If DHS starts conducting raids and deportations on a massive scale just as voters start casting ballots in primaries, that may change the calculus for Hillary in the primaries, and for Democrats in the general election. That may be especially true if dramatic raids get lots of notice, and end up grabbing the wrong people. Depending on who wins the Republican nomination, they may give the GOP a second look — or simply stay home. Either could be fatal for Democratic hopes of succeeding Obama in the White House.

Update: Greg Sargent warns Democrats that this will be a “political bomb”:

In a preview of more to come, a leading immigration advocate, Frank Sharry of America’s Voice, told me that there will be intense pressure on the Democratic presidential candidates — particularly likely nominee Hillary Clinton — to denounce the new policy. Sharry pointed out that this could force Clinton to decide whether to align with immigration advocates and Latinos, as she’s been doing in hopes of winning the Latino vote by a huge margin in the general election, which would mean breaking with the Obama administration and adopting a position that Republicans will attack as weak on immigration enforcement.

“This will be a political nightmare for the Democrats,” Sharry told me. “The specter of raids picking up families and sending them back to violent countries is going to put Hillary Clinton in a difficult position. She’ll have to choose between protecting refugees from Central America, a demand of the Latino community, or standing with the law-and-order position of Obama and Republicans.”

In fact, that’s so obvious that one has to wonder why Obama waited until now to pull the trigger — and why it’s being leaked to the biggest “establishment” newspaper in the US. Why not do this in the spring, long before the primaries begin? That would have taken a lot of pressure off of Hillary. It’s almost as if someone planned this for the worst possible moment. That should give observers plenty of opportunity for chin-stroking over the holidays.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/2...th-in-advance/

December 24, 2015 1:03 p.m.

The Obama Administration’s New Deportation Plan Could Be a Headache for Clinton

By Eric Levitz
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Central American immigrants wait to be transported after turning themselves in to U.S. Border Patrol.Photo: John Moore/Getty Images

The Department of Homeland Security is preparing to raid the homes of hundreds of Central American families who crossed the U.S. border over the past two years amid an upsurge in regional violence, the WashingtonPost reports. The operation would target families that have already been denied asylum and issued orders to leave the country. More than 100,000 Central American families have crossed the border since January of 2014.

The move comes as drought and a record level of homicides in El Salvador have driven a new wave of migrants across the southern border. According to The Wall Street Journal, more than 12,000 people traveling in family units were apprehended at the border in October and November, up from 4,500 in the same months last year. The number of unaccompanied minors who were detained in those two months exceeded 10,000, compared with 5,000 during the same period in 2014.

A government official told the Journal that the goal of the deportation raids is “to send the message to would-be crossers that they won't be allowed to remain in the U.S.” According to the Post, the operation is controversial within the Obama administration, and is likely to prove even more divisive beyond the White House gates.

“This is the last thing we expected from the administration at this point, ” executive director of the National Immigration Law Center Marilena Hincapie told the Journal. “It is time that administration acknowledge once and for all that these mothers and children are refugees just like Syrians.”

Hincapie’s position is shared by left-wing Latino advocacy groups more broadly, which may put the Democratic Party’s 2016 front-runner between Barack and a hard place.

“This will be a political nightmare for the Democrats,” immigration advocate Frank Sharry told the the Post’s Greg Sargent. “The specter of raids picking up families and sending them back to violent countries is going to put Hillary Clinton in a difficult position. She’ll have to choose between protecting refugees from Central America, a demand of the Latino community, or standing with the law-and-order position of Obama and Republicans.”

When the migrant crisis first surfaced in 2014, Clinton initially suggested that the unaccompanied minors flocking across the border should be “sent back.” In the wake of harsh criticism from immigration advocates, Clinton clarified that she did not oppose resettling child migrants who were ruled “genuine refugees.”

Her main rival for the nomination, Vermont senator Bernie Sanders, condemned the new deportation plan on Thursday.

"I am very disturbed by reports that the government may commence raids to deport families who have fled here to escape violence in Central America," Sanders said in a statement. "As we spend time with our families this holiday season, we who are parents should ask ourselves what we would do if our children faced the danger and violence these children do? How far would we go to protect them?"

Sargent notes that the new operation could undermine the sharp distinctions between the Democratic Party’s platform on immigration and that of Trump and company — distinctions that have Blue America’s operatives dreaming of a landslide victory among Latino voters in 2016.

President Obama’s legacy on immigration has been a cause of outrage on both the left and right. Immigration advocates have decried the president as “the deporter-in-chief” for the record number of deportations under his administration, while right-wing media has branded him a Constitution-defying tyrant for issuing executive orders that protect certain categories of undocumented immigrants from the threat of deportation.

On Tuesday, the Obama administration announced that deportations dropped by 25 percent in 2015, to 235,413, the lowest total since 2006.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...-families.html

Any of them that got a license will be easy to find.

http://www.alipac.us/f12/i-c-e-can-u...aliens-316141/

"Federal agents earlier this year arrested several immigrants with prior deportation orders after apparently identifying them with help from driver's license photo and vehicle information."

There are so many ways to find them. State and local law enforcement knows how to do this. We need to cut them loose to do so. They can find them wherever they are and they are everywhere.

There could be a good case made that the Unaccompanied minors should be automatically returned. We do have the international conventions to return children and it is not normal that minors travel across distant nation borders on their own without passports. The Inter American convention doesn't even stipulate that it has to be a parent in the home country requesting the return.

This is nothing more than another hussein scheme. He dropped flyers in these nations inviting foreign invaders to America. He had the children kidnapped. No parent is going to send a child on such a dangerous trip alone. As for all of the people on top of trains,that has already been found to be a lie. What rail road company would tolerate such a thing? Not any!!! There is to much liability involved!! All trains from Mexico have to go through a Port of Entry before entering the U.S.,even if there had been people on top of trains they would have been removed at the Port. PERIOD!!!