Thread: U.S. Struggles to Nab Visitors Who Overstay

When you visit the UK, they collect your passport at the hotel. You could confirm their reservations or who they will be visiting. You can collect their credit card numbers. You can stop them from buying car tags and getting driver's licenses.

You can arrest the home owner who they were to visit. You can alert authorities if they cancel or rebook their flight home.

Thats about it I suppose. I don't know what you could take or withhold from them to make sure they leave. Maybe if their family was arrested in their home country, they would leave. The world is so corrupt now and people are so dishonest now, its getting very difficult for people who follow the law. There are a lot of dishonest employers in this country.

Originally Posted by jd421

When you visit the UK, they collect your passport at the hotel. You could confirm their reservations or who they will be visiting.

When they leave the hotel where they are staying they can get in a cab and go anywhere, airport, bus station, etc. and head for parts unknown. They don't need their old passport, they aren't going back home. Their new fake ID let's them be who ever they want to be.

You can collect their credit card numbers. You can stop them from buying car tags and getting driver's licenses.

All they have to do is stop using their credit card from back home and you have lost the ability to track them.
Illegal aliens already can't get a license in most states. That's why they get a fake ID and become someone else.

You can arrest the home owner who they were to visit. You can alert authorities if they cancel or rebook their flight home.

If they are here on a tourist visa, staying in a hotel, and say they are going to Disneyland who do you arrest when they disappear?
If they are here on a student visa and disappear from the school who gets arrested?
If they cancel their flight home you have no idea where in the country they are, so where do you look for them?

Thats about it I suppose. I don't know what you could take or withhold from them to make sure they leave. Maybe if their family was arrested in their home country, they would leave.

I don't think you can arrest people back home for something a family member does in another country. Would it be legal for the police to arrest you for something one of your relatives did.

This goes for "Guest Workers" too. Once you let them in you loose control of them.
They can cross the border and say they are headed to work on a farm in New York and get on a bus for there. Get off at any stop and go where ever they want.

They would need a lot of cash to do those things. Perhaps if overstaying a visa was a serious mandatory jail sentence, it would spread the word.

I don't have any ideas, do you?

Originally Posted by jd421

. . . I don't have any ideas, do you?

The only way to keep them from overstaying their visa is to no let them come here in the first place. (Which would be a big hit to our tourist industry and cost a lot of jobs.)

That's not going to happen and as such is not a suggestion of a solution.

Napolitano stated that they will not be able to use biometrics to check them in and out. She said it was too expensive but never mentioned how much it is. I think she mentioned biographic markers? Anybody remember from the Senate hearing?

The only thing else I could think of is tag them. Yup that's right. Put a GPS on their wrist. Any government employee or tourist who loses a GPS, goes to jail. Sounds pretty crude. I know they have been thinking about it for years, so they probably have something that will not be susceptible to so much fraud.

I can't think of anything else at the moment.

Originally Posted by jd421

That's not going to happen . . .

I know it's not going to happen, but it's the only way to prevent overstays.
And they aren't going to put a GPS on everyone entering the country either,
so that isn't really a solution either.
If they cut off the GPS you still have the original problem,
"It's a big country so where do you look for them?"
You have to find them before you can put them in jail or deport them.
There are MILLIONS of illegal aliens roaming around the country right now and no one is putting them in jail or deporting them even when they come into contact with law enforcement.
It's almost impossible to get them deported now.

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