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    U.S. Supreme Court weighs Trump bid to bar illegal immigrants from census total

    U.S. Supreme Court weighs Trump bid to bar illegal immigrants from census totals








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    Lawrence HurleySun, November 29, 2020, 7:03 AM EST






    By Lawrence Hurley

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Supreme Court on Monday is set to take up President Donald Trump's unprecedented and contentious effort to exclude illegal immigrants from the population totals used to allocate U.S. House of Representatives districts to states.

    The challengers to Trump's July directive include various states led by New York, cities, counties and immigrant rights groups. They have argued that the Republican president's move could leave several million people uncounted and cause California, Texas and New Jersey to lose House seats, which are based on a state's population count in the decennial census.

    The court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority including three justices appointed by Trump, is scheduled to hear an 80-minute oral argument by teleconference.

    Trump lost his bid for re-election on Nov. 3. This case focuses on one of several policy moves his administration is rushing to complete before Democratic President-elect Joe Biden takes office on Jan. 20.

    The census in mandated by the U.S. Constitution. The challengers argued that Trump is prohibited by the Constitution's text from excluding illegal immigrants from the population count. The Constitution requires that the apportionment of House seats be based upon the "whole number of persons in each state."

    The challengers said Trump's plan, undertaken as part of the government's responsibility to administer the 2020 census, also violates a federal law called the Census Act that outlines how a census must be conducted.

    They said Trump's plan would weaken the political power of states with larger numbers of illegal immigrants, including heavily Democratic California, by undercounting their true populations and depriving them of House seats. If California loses House districts, that likely would mean Democrats lose House seats, benefiting Trump's fellow Republicans.

    There are an estimated 11 million immigrants living in the United States illegally. Until now, the government's practice was to count all people regardless of their citizenship or immigration status.

    "That's what everyone has always thought," said Dale Ho, a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union, which represents immigrant groups in the case.

    Ho said he is optimistic the court's conservatives, who often tout the importance of interpreting laws as written, would view this one as a "rather easy case."

    Trump's lawyers argued in court papers that the president acted within his authority and that the challengers lacked the necessary legal standing to bring the case. Trump's administration "has virtually unfettered discretion as to what data will be used in enumerating individual persons in each state for purposes of the decennial census and apportionment," Acting Solicitor General Jeff Wall wrote.

    The court is deciding the case on a expedited schedule, with a ruling due before the end of the year. That would make it difficult for the incoming Biden administration to revisit Trump's plan if it is upheld.

    Trump's hardline stance toward immigration has been a hallmark of his presidency.
    The Supreme Court last year ruled 5-4 against Trump's effort to add a citizenship question to the census. Critics said the question was intended to frighten immigrants from taking part in the population count and artificially reduce population numbers in heavily Democratic areas, also to benefit Republicans.
    Conservative Chief Justice John Roberts joined the liberal justices in that ruling.

    But the addition of Trump's third appointee Amy Coney Barrett to the court changes its dynamics, as seen in action by the justices on Wednesday in a case in which they backed Christian and Jewish houses of worship that challenged New York state's latest restrictions in novel coronavirus hot spots.

    Roberts dissented along with the court's three liberals but Barrett's vote in favor of the religious groups proved decisive.

    LOWER COURTS BACK CHALLENGERS

    A three-judge panel in New York ruled against the administration in September in the current case and the justices agreed to take up the appeal on Oct. 16. Federal courts in California and Maryland have reached the same conclusion in other cases though one court in Washington ruled for Trump.

    By statute, the president is due to send Congress a report in early January with the population of each of the states and their entitled number of House districts.
    Once states are allocated their districts, they themselves draw the boundaries for the districts, which will be used first in the 2022 congressional elections. The number of House seats for each state also determines how many votes that state gets in the Electoral College, the system used to determine the winner of presidential elections. In a close election, one or two electoral votes could swing the outcome.

    The census itself does not gather data on a person's citizenship or immigration status. Trump's administration would base its numbers on data gathered elsewhere. The U.S. Census Bureau, a spokesman said, "will make public the methods used to provide state-level counts once we have them finalized."

    Thomas Wolf, a lawyer at New York University's Brennan Center for Justice, said it is not yet clear if the administration will even be able to come up with usable numbers.

    "This is not the way a transparent constitutional democracy is supposed to be run," Wolf added.

    Ilya Somin, a professor at George Mason University's Antonin Scalia Law School in Virginia who filed a brief opposing Trump, said although the challengers have a strong case, one wrinkle could be that some conservative justices embrace a broad view of presidential powers.

    "We can't be too definitive about what the justices will do with it," Somin said.

    (Reporting by Lawrence Hurley; Editing by Will Dunham)


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    They should not be counted any more than the foreign "tourists" who come here on vacation at the time of the Census count.

    We do not mail Census counts to hotels, motels, and vacation resorts, to count those foreign tourists in our Census either just because they are on our soil.

    These illegal aliens are not our citizens. They are foreign citizens who came here "undocumented" and never left, just like the Visa overstays who should not be counted either.

    Their anchor babies are not U.S. citizens and should never have been issued U.S. Birth Certificates, or counted in our Census, any more than the Birth Tourism industry that is committing fraud for the express purpose of giving birth on our soil. Their countries laws state if they give birth on foreign soil...then that child IS a citizen of their country. Issue a Certificate of Child Born Abroad and get them off our soil.

    We represent and award benefits to LEGAL U.S. citizens only. Not every slug that slithers over our border illegally and is a foreign citizen or their offspring. The are not Americans.

    No Birthright Citizenship
    No Dual Citizenship
    No Amnesty #8
    No TPS
    No Asylum
    No Refugees
    No Path to Stay

    10 year moratorium on ALL immigration and fast track deportations of 30 million. Cut off the free stuff, school, healthcare, and taxpayer funded attorneys. Make them self deport.

    Begin by evicting them from our housing. That is harboring, aiding, and abetting illegal aliens. We have no housing for ourselves, get them out of our communities.

    Sign an EO that all landlords and banks must verify legal status in our country before approving home loans, buying property, or renting.

    Enough is enough...they are destroying our country and bankrupting us.




    Last edited by Beezer; 11-29-2020 at 10:04 AM.
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