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    Undaunted by Trump's wall, migrants vow to go over it

    Yemeli ORTEGA
    ,AFP•March 12, 2018
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    A man jogs on the Mexican side of the Mexico-US border in Tijuana, from where prototypes of the wall that US President Donald Trump wants to build are visible (AFP Photo/GUILLERMO ARIAS)


    Tijuana (Mexico) (AFP) - Eladio Sanchez is unimpressed by the eight border wall prototypes looming over his house in Tijuana, Mexico, almost within spitting distance of where US President Donald Trump will visit Tuesday.

    At age 30, he has already snuck over the border several times, and doesn't expect Trump's wall will have much effect on undocumented migrants like him.

    Pointing to the only prototype with an angular barrier at the top -- a concrete structure built by Texas Sterling Construction Company -- Sanchez says that one might slow him down a little more than the others.

    But, he told AFP, "you can get over it anyway."

    "It's just a little more complicated. But people are always looking for a way to get over -- out of necessity, not because we want to."

    n Tijuana, Trump's visit to the prototypes looks like just the latest slap in the face from a man who launched his presidential campaign calling Mexican immigrants "criminals" and "rapists" and has since driven US-Mexican relations to their lowest point in recent memory.

    It's as if "he wants to come just to tell us he's here, that he's going to do what he promised with the wall," says Sanchez, who lives in a small gray house in a poor neighborhood that juts up against the border, across from Otay Mesa, on the outskirts of San Diego.

    - 'We will never pay' -

    Sanchez has watched the barrier between the United States and Mexico grow over the years, blocking his view of the mountains more every time.

    It started with a fence built during the Bill Clinton administration, then was beefed up with barbed wire.

    "They just keep adding more, making it taller," he said from his rooftop.

    From there, he has an unimpeded view of the hulking prototypes, which stand about nine meters (30 feet) tall and cost $300,000 to $500,000 each.

    If Trump gets his way, whichever prototype or prototypes win will snake across much of the nearly 3,200-kilometer (2,000-mile) border.

    The cost is estimated at up to $20 billion. Trump's insistence that Mexico will foot the bill is a source of national outrage.

    Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto reportedly canceled plans for a visit to Washington recently over the issue -- the second time he has done so.

    "He firmly repeated what all Mexicans have always said: We will never pay for a wall on the border," said Foreign Minister Luis Videgaray.

    - 'Powerful energy' -

    An estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants live in the United States, many of them Mexicans or other Latinos.

    "They are the proof that it's possible to get through. More Mexicans are getting through all the time," says Sergio Tamai, the founder of immigrant advocacy group Angels Without Borders.

    Tamai runs a shelter for migrants in the border city of Mexicali, which sits across from Calexico, California.

    The Migrant Hotel, as it's known, is not far from the rusted metal border fence that separates the two cities. On the Mexican side, the fence is covered in colorful graffiti, including the words "penetrate me" in giant letters.

    Migrants, says Tamai, will always find a way.

    "The desert. The mountains. Human traffickers. You can't take away that desire to cross to the other side. That desire to build a better life for your family is such a strong, powerful energy."

    - 'All alone' -

    For many Mexicans who have been deported from the United States, things have gone from bad to worse under Trump.

    "Everything is more difficult with Trump. He's really racist," says Carmelo Alfaro, 56, sitting on a mattress on the floor in the Migrant Hotel.

    He was deported recently after working for 15 years as a gardener in San Francisco.

    He now plans to move back "all alone" to his native state of Jalisco, in the west, and says he is resigned to living the rest of his life without his three US-born children. He and his wife decided they would be better off in the United States.

    Salvador Moreno, the elderly deportee who cleans the hotel, is more optimistic.

    A native of the western state of Michoacan, he was deported from California two years ago, and has since tried to go back twice. Both times he was arrested by the US border patrol.

    "It's harder for us now," he says.

    But, he added, "God willing, I'll go back."

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    Anyone who thinks Mexico is our friend needs only to look at the numbers of their citizens who have no respect for our country, who violate our laws with pride, who breed citizens of their beliefs and values, not ours, who run drugs and killer narcotics, operate all types of criminal enterprises, who kill and rape our people, who create hazards on our roads, trash our neighborhoods, steal our jobs, deflate our wages, and suck on our welfare programs. These are not the actions of a friendly nation, this is worse than what most declared enemies would do to Americans, far far worse than anything the Russians have ever done or would even want to do.
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    How about drone helicopters that drop German shepherd dogs off. These could have a GPS signal or radio beacon on their collar and then the human agents go in and make the retrieval.
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    When they built the wall near San Diego it reduced the number of illegal aliens crossing, at least at that location, by about 90%. While many have been going around it, that does slow them somewhat. If there is enough wall, they must go over it to get in this country. I have no doubt that some people can get over the new walls, but the number of those who can will be small.

    The wall is just one part of a comprehensive fix. There is no one way to stop illegal aliens from getting into this country. We have to stop the benefits. But we also have to stop drug dependence and desire. The wall can't stop those who overstay visas. The wall can't stop those who use boats to come into this country.

    The solution is fixing one problem at a time. The wall is one problem.
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    They want "World Peace"...start in YOUR own backyard.

    Do not come here!!!

    The USA is not the solution to your countries problems!

    We are not your ATM machine or your dumping ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtdc View Post
    When they built the wall near San Diego it reduced the number of illegal aliens crossing, at least at that location, by about 90%. While many have been going around it, that does slow them somewhat. If there is enough wall, they must go over it to get in this country. I have no doubt that some people can get over the new walls, but the number of those who can will be small.

    The wall is just one part of a comprehensive fix. There is no one way to stop illegal aliens from getting into this country. We have to stop the benefits. But we also have to stop drug dependence and desire. The wall can't stop those who overstay visas. The wall can't stop those who use boats to come into this country.

    The solution is fixing one problem at a time. The wall is one problem.
    Thank you. Just what I've been saying all along. The fix has to be comprehensive. It's like a jigsaw puzzle, to complete the picture you need all the pieces. The wall is one of those pieces! Yep, it's all about the big picture.

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    They need to direct their anger towards their corrupt government...not our country and stop coming here. They are not wanted.

    We should all be directing our anger at these countries DUMPING their people on us and refusing to effect change to take care of their own people.

    The next protests against illegal immigration need to have signs bashing President Nieto, calling out the Presidents of Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala!

    Start calling them out on the carpet to take their illegals back and fix their own country...not dump their problems on ours.

    Divert their HATE on the USA right back on their leaders who have caused this problem
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